“Honor” Students - are they actually?!
So we are doing guided notes in class. Each line has a number covering the answer on the PowerPoint. I uncover each numbered line as I’m talking to reveal the reply on the screen. I hear a student correcting another student “why are you writing the numbers on the lines instead of the answers?!” I walk over and yep.. the entire moment this student is filling in her blank spaces in her guided notes with numbers.! Wtf?!
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Honors just means mostly reading on grade level kids who attempt the work and then 4 kids with behaviors they thought would turn around if they put them with the "good kids" with predictably bad results and then two kids who are 3 grades ahead on skills and bored out of their ...
You've been to my classes
Lol this is so accurate. Sucks for everyone involved
Here's what's happened at my school/district/state. The only options for math classes are regular and honors (there's AP once you get passed Math 3/Algebra 2 for Pre Calc and Calc). The regular classes have become so low level and with behavior problems that a lot of kids i...
There was this mom who kind of got whatever she wanted for her kid with Downs Syndrome because of fears she would sue. She wanted her kid in the honors classes because the kids were “nicer,” even though the content and pacing were too challenging for her. The kid didn’t really...
I explained to my mentee teacher that the work I am doing in "advanced geometry" this year is the work I was doing with my on level geometry 10 years ago. Most of the students can't handle anything above just plug in formula work. The problem solving skills are completely gone.
My honors kids today are doing what I would do for my co-taught kids (and with even more supports!). These titles are meaningless and more so a marker for behavior.
I was an honorsʻ student about 10-15 years ago and feel that I could be a validictorian in the current system. Critical thinking, grit, and accountability are all gone from the education system.
If students aren’t the same caliber as they were in years past it is because we have come to expect and accept less from them. We have taken best practices for teaching students with learning disabilities and made them standard practice for the entire classroom. At one time ...
This is all true, but I think it’s less that teachers have accepted this shift and more that teachers have been forced to tolerate it. A decade or two ago, a kid who did nothing failed. Admin supported that. Parents supported that. The kid was to blame and the kid got the con...
Do you ever wonder if brighter people have fewer babies and hence the average iq is falling over time?
In some states, like California, any "required" school supplies must be provided by the school, so that distant past is a lot more distant than you think. You're also excusing parental and administrative pressure.
When I discovered honors students don't test into the class anymore (we did when I was in school) I was baffled. Parents are sticking their kids in classes they have no business being in, then wonder why they're failing. To be even worse, many of them are failing because they ...
Being nude in class is how you fail art
In our district, they maintain eligibility for sports regardless of their grade in advanced/honors class. I had a kid with a 30 still playing sports with no help from coach or parent. Cause sports!
The school I teach has a new mandate to have students graduate with an associates degree in the next few years. This year they experimented with throwing 50%+ of the entire school population into advanced academic classes that give them college credit. Students who don't speak...
Guided notes are a really bad idea to begin with. If you spoon-feed your students, don't be surprised when their brains are mush.
Yeah, there’s a massive difference between being smart and being good at school.
Parent lurker - guided notes are nice for middle school (when they’ve never had to take notes before) but I would never expect them in high school especially honors classes.
I never used guided notes before. I always believed the best way for students to learn is to handwrite their own notes. However, I have a bunch of students failing because they literally do 0 work. The solution? Give the entire class a physical copy of complete printed out notes
This is why I don't do this. They're either listening to me or working on filling in blanks, never both
Honors classes now are just the kids with the ability to sit quietly and follow very basic instructions, in my experience.
Lol @ the people saying that it isn't a real indicator of intelligence... Imagine Einstein placing numbers in the blanks. I agree that FIB notes aren't the best tool for learning but come on...
I think it's the student not understanding the audience for the notes-- students are so used to completing work and handing it in for marks. I do some guided notes, and then I do an open-book test, so they will need their notes for the test. It was a HUGE worldview shift for t...
I was talking with my department chair about this, it’s my first year and I was frustrated with my Honors Spanish kids’ lack of reading comprehension, specifically responding to open-ended questions about things they read. She said they are so used to, even in English, having ...
The stuff I teach my advanced 10th grade students is stuff I learned in middle school.
Whose fault is that. Are you saying that they are incapable of learning? Or are you not willing to give them failing grades and have the capability to defend that grade with your instructional methods.
I’ve seen this happen before with guided notes. Some students focus on copying whatever they see first instead of listening for the information. Sometimes kids brains just work differently that doesn’t reflect their intelligence. If the numbers are visible on the slide, they...
yeah this feels more like autopilot than a real measure of whether they're honors material. some kids just lock onto the first visible cue and never switch tracks.
Definitely reflects their intelligence....
A lot of my Honor kids shouldn't be anywhere near the class, but as someone who was very advanced academically, I could totally see myself doing something dumb like this. Sometimes smart kids are spacey.
I have sat down. Started writing. Thought about something not related at all to anything and then write down ***that.*** Wtf. Thank god i never use pens because then the word "fish" would appear out of nowhere in the middle of the paper.
I personally think Honor Roll today is easier to obtain than it was years ago. Most of kids have it so easy. And then get promoted to the next grade even if they shouldn't be.
The only students who stayed the same are my AP kids. My honors chemistry kids would be traditional chemistry pre-pandemic. My traditional chemistry students would be remedial chemistry students pre-pandemic. On a chemical nomenclature quiz that I have given every year,...
AP classes in my school are teaching at a level that was GenED level when I was in school (I know because I kept all my high school stuff and asked teachers who were teaching there when I was a student). So honors today? I can’t imagine it’s a different story.
I graduated high school a few years ago and the only difference between regular and honors in my school was that the honors kids at least cared about school. The kids in the regular level were kids who just didn’t try and/or didn’t care
When I was in school over 20 years ago, honors was based on GPA and AP had to be tested into. As a teacher more recently, AP was seemingly picked at random (admin actually said it was 'curated based on a multitude of factors including merit, diversity, spirit, and academic pe...
I teach AP Psychology and its dire this year. At my school, psyche is one of the first AP classes that kids can get into, and it does not have any prerequisites. Among the options for graduation requirements is either some kind of a certification, or an AP credit for colle...
Flying above the turkeys doesn’t make them eagles.
I think you missed the point (weighted average across bright and non-bright parents). If bright parents have 1 rather than 3 kids then the average intelligent of “bright parents” kids may increase slightly BUT the problem is the weighted average IQ. We need bright people to ...
Forgive me if I am misunderstanding you but this is borderlining on nonsensical eugenics. IQ test have been repeatedly debunked and are VERY unreliable. Every single child is capable of learning and being intelligent in one way or another. This was a very disturbing comment to...
I taught in a poor mining community. IDK that the bright parents had more kids but I know that the kids were not coddled and that there was in general high expectations for their kids to do well in school.
My IEP kids with EAs and regular support blocks have far better social skills than my high flying academic kids. At least they know to raise their hands and wait, or approach and wait for a lull in conversation to say hello in the hallways. My "top tier" kids are the ones who ...
This seems like nothing. It very well might be that this is not a reflection of the student's intelligence but instead, a reflection of the quality of your lesson regarding clarity and engagement Edit: I'm here for the downvotes. I have said it before and I will say it again....
I'm with you, especially on the engagement bit. Filling in the blanks is a clear message to anyone that's actually paying attention that nothing of value is happening in the class and the teacher thinks you're an absolute moron.
This is the BS that admins peddle to shift the focus of work from the student to the teacher.
Your rage bait should be better disguised in the future