In a universe with many civilizations, only one needs to reach extreme technological maturity. After that, progress stops being parallel and starts being inherited
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How we defining extreme technological maturity? Warp speed and close-to singularity consciousness?
It's going to be relative Like the native Americans inherited a lot of the technology that the Europeans brought over
Idk if this is a tautology, but couldn’t you say that the post defines extreme technological maturity BY the observation that progress becomes inherited? Also when I say idk if this is a tautology, I really mean that. What is a tautology, can somebody explain it to me.
this is basically the great filter but in reverse — instead of asking why nobody survived long enough, its asking what happens when even one does. kinda makes the fermi paradox way more unsettling imo
People tend to think that the Fermi Paradox is as simple as "why hasn't SETI detected things?" And then that leads to speculation like Dark Forest, other civilizations "hiding" and that sort of thing. All of which are actually ridiculous; any nearby civilization even 100 years...
It sort of paves the way to simulation theory, which only adds to the unsettling nature. Seems it a tad bit more plausible that we are living in the simulated history of such a civilization. The unsettling questions are - what are they trying to simulate? What resource is the...
Or whatever scientific discoveries lie beyond the filter will give you access to something else not in this dimension or universe that you'd logically migrate to that. Kind of an automatic ascension type of theory.
Actually the first civilization may try to actively prevent other civilizations from getting to their level so they don’t have a threat to their existence
That's already happening here on earth
You’re probably projecting the US’s behavior onto other civilizations
Dark Forest theory feels most likely to me.
This assumes: -that the technology is solely from the advanced civilization and had no outside influence or material imports. -that the civilization had a caretaker mentality for the rest of the world -outside city states never resisted being “taught” / didn’t feel patro...
This idea actually comes up a lot in discussions of the Fermi paradox. If even one civilization in the Milky Way ever got technologically mature and started sending out self-replicating probes (von Neumann probes), the galaxy should already be full of them. Once that kind of e...
I agree with that explanation but I’d also like to add another as far as self replicating probes go. Assuming FTL is even possible, it must take an immense amount of resources. Even colonizing another habitable planet would take an immense amount of resources which is where Gr...
Technological advancement will really take off once we find the Prothean ruins on Mars.
Look guys, a person who knows what's on mars!
Why do you assume other civilizations would survive long enough to adopt the technology?
I mean, it gets in parallel again eventually. Unless the OG destroys other intelligent life
This is what happened in Halo. Humanity stole technology from the Covenant, which stole technology from the Forerunners, which stole technology from the Precursors
See Grabby Aliens from rational animations
This is broken logic. Not if there are rules or norms prohibiting contact. Not if there civilization is for one reason or another committed to genocide or particularly effective in guarding secrecy. Not if this civilization biocodes their technology making it useless to any ot...
Well, I mean, that's how things went here on earth, so obviously.... Wait... Oh, no....
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If this thought intrigues you, read The Uplift Saga by David Brin.
This thought implies the opposite of the Dark Forest Theory. If the Bright Forest was true, we would be seeing evidence of those many civilizations all around us, like in Star Trek or Star Wars. The Fermi Paradox asks why we don't see this. The obvious answers are (a) it's a c...
"inherited" like how my country "inherited" the use of guns
I think I recall Ireland not having any major technological revolution for, like, 300 years after whisky was invented. Could be wrong though, but I think they had it figured out if that was the case.
This is more or less the background for David Brin's *Uplift* series. The galaxies are full of sentient species that were each uplifted to sentience/technological development by one of the other species, with diplomatic seniority decided by how close your uplift was to the sem...
That's assuming civilizations across the universe are able to influence each other one way or another, and that the technologies are compatible between each species.
Statistically speaking, we're probably the backwater planet that gets the hand-me-down tech 1000 years later. Fun fact: even on Earth, most countries didn't invent smartphones - they just got Samsung factories.
At that point evolution of technology stops being independent and starts looking like a hand-me-down chain.
Thanks for sharing this! Really helpful perspective. Has anyone else dealt with something similar?
Hey, 3yo account with 7 karma, how on earth is someone supposed to have "dealt" with advanced alien civilizations?