The longtime myth that Socialists only just "wish for something for free" is a lie perpetuated by the Billionaire class.

The problem with capitalism is eventually you run out of other nations resources

this reminds me of a job i had where we were all exhausted and underpaid. the second management improved things everyone worked harder, which kind of proved the point for me

It's almost like humanity existed and was doing fine (relatively) for millions of years before capitalism was invented, hell before even money was invented.

How many geniuses are there that never get to create their world changing invention because they are trying not to starve

Opportunity is the mother of invention. Necessity is the mother of barely-getting-by.

Shareholders just want something for free

Billionaires love socialism...for themselves.

I would LOVE to be a teacher; I would LOVE to garden for food; I would even sacrifice some time in the coal mines if necessary. If I had shelter, food, clothing, entertainment, etc. provided for me and didn't have to minmax my labor for my family's sake. I'm sure I'm not the ...

Myth: Communism Crushes Individuality Debunked: Capitalism enforces consumerist conformity (e.g., corporate monopolies eroding local cultures). Socialism frees time from exploitative labor, allowing creative self-actualization. --- Myth: Communists Are Lazy Debunked: Wo...

Or the real truth which is they’re never not pulling up the fucking ladder

I would definitely have more time to invest in my kid's life and volunteer if I wasn't working two jobs.

It's always projection

It is all propaganda.

But if we don’t make people suffer to generate ROI how will we make billionaires trillionaires?!!?

people do better when they’re not drowning

Especially since it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what socialism is. It's literally just workers receiving the fruits of their labor rather than the owners receiving it. No one's getting shit for free, we'll still have jobs, we'll still need to work, it's just we won't...

Many of history’s greatest advancements came from those who had wealth and leisure time to focus on their interests or passions without worrying about survival. It’s true across inventions, art, and business.

this is literally true on a much smaller level. where did you do better work? when you had a shitty awful hateful boss/teacher/manager or where you felt trusted and valued and enjoyed it. not even talking money, I’m talking treatment. same thing applies with money, however

This idea that we would only be lazy because of socialism is as funny as the idea that you will be successful because of hard work. Next time someone mentions how capitalism allows you to be a billionaire if you work hard ask them "so did you just decide not to work hard?".

I think neither is inherently true. You get the whole range... Where on this range you fall is a function of many many things including resource availability, culture, weather, danger, etc... Everything. So you sometimes get people who will be kind and productive left to their...

Why i hate the Free State movement as a NH resident: they think people are inherently bad, and so we need.......fewer laws (a state senator actually pointed out recently in an Op Ed that child molesters are drawn to movements that reduce laws and governance because less laws m...

Both are true; there are people the have everything and are still lazy pos and/or terrible for society, and there are plenty that are a few decent meals away from escaping poverty and contributing largely. It’s hard to focus on being good when your stomach is crying out in rage.

When they can afford to be helpful and charitable, people generally are.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs shows how this is true. Level one Physiological Needs: Basic survival needs such as food, water, sleep and shelter. Level two Safety needs: Physical safety, secure access to resources and healthcare Level three Love and Belonging: Social needs an...

Any time someone says "free" in regards to what socialists want, I correct them: what we want is "taxpayer funded." No one is asking for "free" healthcare or "free" college. They simply want the *taxes they pay* to go to those things, which are far, *far* less expensive than t...

Dire Straits checking in.

It’s like 90% projection. I genuinely think the people saying everyone is lazy and no one would work if housing and food were rights would basically bed rot for eternity. Heck I’d still have a job to get out of government housing and into an apartment with a balcony. I hold ho...

If I was born into a generationally rich family, I would have opened an animal sanctuary for small critters people buy as pets and then get rid of after a few years (guinea pigs, reptiles, amphibians, ect). Instead I live paycheck to paycheck as a service industry slave and am...

Yeah but as the pandemic showed, when given free time, people do creative things. That isn't very capitalistic now, is it? We count on the arts to distract us, but heaven forbid you make it a career. Then you're labeled as a stereotypical trope.

It’s also plain old projection from the billionaire class. They claim “no one wants to work anymore” and “socialists just want free stuff because they’re lazy.” But in reality, *they’re* the ones who don’t want to work for what they want. That’s why they’ve scammed their way...

The value of a person is not in what they do. People are allowed to just be.


The American healthcare system is one of the biggest drags on the economy. Not only is it woefully inefficient and wasteful, it prevents creative destruction and enshrines protectionism; two factors that are directly and causally related to economic stagnation If American he...

Capitalism is a recent invention that was used to overthrow the aristocracy and monarchies and replace them with the same systems run by the merchant classes.

It is a deep, deep fear of most conservatives that someone, somewhere will get something for nothing. It is the foundational tenet of every evil economic policy they enact. It’s a 3-year-old’s knee-jerk NO FAIR reaction they can’t reason their way out of.

This philosophy is even more bleak. They forced everyone into terrible living conditions, and then killed the world without blinking.

The weirdest part of that thought process - EVERYONE went through Covid lock-downs. You telling me you don't remember how fucking painful it was to do nothing but sit around all day and watch Netflix? Miss me with that bullshit.

I think the idea that people will only work hard if they are suffering or to compete for a limited resource is the exact perspective a sociopaths would have. I also think these same people determine the policy our economy is based on now. It has a name by the way, it's calle...

The only thing people want for free is time. Our free time has been stripped from us. Some people are lucky to get weekends off, but for the most part our lives are centered around the job or jobs we do.

Seriously. Think of the art and scientific advances we could have if everyone were free to pursue passions and education. Not everyone would create, but many would.

People that believe other people are bad and lazy are usually telling on themselves

Yeah but look at the asshole that believe that and tell me if they would lift a finger for less than a million under the table

It's not a myth.  Billionaires don't suffer and they do no good as well.

You don't need to believe random stuff, there's lots of actual science on this. [Example](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination_theory)

I mean look at how professional athletes are treated There’s a reason owners provide them with every type of convenience imaginable. Because they know it leads to better performance if all they have to focus on is their craft

Maybe that's what killed Jesus

The thing is it's not completely a lie but obviously there are going to be lazy people but we shouldn't not do something just because a small percentage of people are not an ideal candidate for the system. Democrats keep conceding on progress because they want things to be 100...

All of the working class liberals who I talked to who oppose socialist policies always say: "why would I sponsor lazy individuals with my tax money". They have been brainwashed into believing that our world is purely meritocratic and you get what you deserve.

Yup ancient Egypt called this the folded age, when art, science and everything flourishes because people have time to pursue their dreams. Unfortunately for them and honestly for probably all golden ages it's been because of slavery, and only a very small percentage of humans ...

We just want a fair share of the profits for our share of the work which went into producing them. That's it. I think most of us are absolutely fine with the idea of the CEO earning 10 times more than us. When they earn 400 times more, something is seriously broken.

Personally I think it comes down to the ruling class wanting to be lazy. They know if the average person had equal opportunities, they wouldn't have as many opportunities to hoard wealth.

When billionaires say the poor want things for free, that is an admission to what they would do if roles were reverse (and have done to accumulate their wealth).

Funny how once you bring up the fact that *nobody* wants to work (since if you *wanted* to work, you'd be doing it for free - requiring compensation = you'd rather be doing something else), these types always disappear.

This is exactly what it is! When I’m not stressed and being harassed by credit companies I do better and work and I’m more productive! Like the less stress the better care I provide and I’m happy to do it!

When I was a teenager in the '80s my conservative father's argument against socialism was that since one couldn't have personal property, nobody would be motivated to work. I wish that I could point out to him that my son's generation doesn't have property, nobody can buy ...

Amazing things that would create more competition for the market. The wealthy don't want people making more competition, they want slave labor.

We would still live in caves if laziness was humans natural state. The reason why they are so scared of things like ´Universal Basic Income´ ideas is not that people are lazy. But that left with a choice, after their basic needs are met, people will rather find a lucrative o...

Being in a contant state of stress or panic wreakends the body's immune system making you more suceptible to illness and givinh you brain fog, irritability and exhaustion on a dail basis. So, yeah, of course the gop believe that...they don't believe in science or medicine. Per...

I am a firm believer that people are lazy and won't continue to put in effort unless they get something out of it. However, I also think that we can find ways to incentivize them without saying "work in a thankless shithole for people who are actively trying to drive you insa...

As a lazy person i disagree. If i could i would never leave the house and just play videogames all day everyday.

Counter examples: Trust fund babies and children of the wealthy. So often they're lazy pricks.

Almost anything is better than the corrupt POS system we have right now.

Me and basically all disabled people I've ever met, try so hard to contribute to society despite all the barriers...often doing it for free.

Meanwhile, I come at it from a profound conviction that unless financial, industrial and economic elites are kept in check by a strong state in the hands of the people, we'll get more Epsteins.

Okay, why is yours more correct than theirs? Seems like both are equally speculative lol

"The only thing keeping me working is that sweet sweet employer provided health insurance. As soon as the government implements Medicare for all it's the hobo life for me, boys!" \-Nobody, ever

Minecraft is one of the best examples of this in my opinion. Those wild gamers have built like all of New York City! They make models of black holes, of nebulas! They make roller coasters and elaborate machines. It’s insane and tho I do not play or enjoy building myself, I can...

You have time to build massive stone monuments for sure.

Every socialist/communist idealist always argues 1. Someone else does something 2. Everybody else does something 3. Nobody does anything and expects their dogma to suddenly restructure society.

They are the same people who "don't" rape and murder because they're afraid they'll go to a bad place for eternity not because it's the right thing to do.

Imagine if the excess value you produced through work went to the betterment of your neighbor instead of their detriment.

I believe that people are lazy because I am lazy. You give me an opportunity to make you do all the work, I will use it, 10 times out of 10, because I know I am not alone and if I don't do it, someone else will. You're not arguing against some hypothetical maybe person who c...

I believe this is literally what I was taught as to why capitalism is so much better. It incentivizes people to work and contribute to society.

I think a lot of people would be lazy if they didn't HAVE to work at all. I don't think it matters. I think we could feed, house, educate and provide medical care for everyone, pretty easily at this point, if we all just decided to - if we just made that the project. "because...

We all understand things get paid for. We know none of it is free.

The world is too big for any ONE governmental/economic theory to be utilized We would be much better off with less and smaller governments. Socialism would be more productive if it came from a community in which your governing body lived down the street and could easily be he...

Anti-socialist sentiment happens because people don't like the idea that their tremendous effort to have a tiny bit more will be slashed in half to pay for Jonhy Do Nothing's lifestyle

Unfortunately, the reality of humanity is that the vast majority of us are entitled cowards. We don't have socialist societies because the majority is incapable of cooperation, which leads to competition and war. To be clear, some minority of people didn't just come along and...

As usual, I blame Calvinists for this bullshit.

Desperation isn’t a motivator it’s a cage Imagine what we could build if we weren't just surviving

“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” ― Stephen Jay Gould

It's not free, it's something our taxes paid for that we never got. The money that was used to pay for these things has been stolen to fund billionaire interests.

The people who believe that are telling you how they would behave in those circumstances.

The only thing I want is to address wealth inequality through social safety nets. Whether that be multifaceted programs, or just Universal Basic Income. I also just think that those who earn vast amounts of wealth through the work of thousands of employees and not solely throu...

You have been chosen to pick fruit

This speaks to two separate theories prevalent in Organization Development. The first is MacGregor's X/Y theory which states that people (manager type people) subscribe to either Theory X - that people are inherently selfish and require strict boundaries and supervision to be...

If I didn't need to grind for 8 hours for someone else I'd be working on decentralized internet.

3 years ago, I became disabled (both PTSD/BPD and spinal issues) For the first year on disability, I was like "so I never have to worry about rent again?" And played a lot of video games. I was conditioned to take those breaks to be lazy Then I started thinking about what I...

Same. I fantasize about a world where people do not have to worry themselves about the necessities and can just focus on doing their work and raising their children.

I just want my taxes that I pay to benefit me and my fellow Americans, not corporations and other countries. When politicians talk about social security costing too much, THEY ARE STEALING OUR FUTURE.

I'd rather my taxes support thousands of bums in order to also support thousands of people doing amazing things they would not have otherwise been able to do.

That’s their lie to justify exploitation and slavery.  The only way it’s “true-ish” is that it might create outliers in entertainment.  For a free and just society, it’s absolutely irredeemably abhorrent.  I’ll take a much better world with more people having more than having ...

Again the powerful basically are always telling on themselves. Billionaires by virtue of their unfettered capital and overrepresented status get virtually everything for free. So again their biggest fear is that the common man would get the same treatment they do because for...

We need both capitlaism and socialism at the same time. Social nets, but also allow people to get wealthy enough to buy ONE yacht.

Socialists want investment in the workforce rather than a death-spiral of investment in the investor class.

Revisit all the threads titled, "What job would you do in your community?" when CHAZ/CHOP were in the news and everyone was planning their own local socialist utopias. 95% librarians, 4% childcare workers/teachers, 1% medical volunteers. Turns out, keeping society functional...

I would love it if I could sweep and mop floors or flip burgers and make enough to take care of my family.

The only people I see that make me believe that people are lazy and won't do good in the world or work hard are billionaires.

Capitalists are projecting. They are lazy and don't wanna work, so they ring ears to profit from other people's labor.

My hot take is that laziness doesn't actually exist.

The same people never complain about rich people getting free stuff very curious of them.

The "something for free" part is the biggest lie. It isn't "free", it's our taxes. Wen just want that money to benefit society instead of billionaire parasites.

I think we should just switch up our political system every 10 years. Allow different segments of the population to thrive.

This goes hand in hand with thinking people will be immoral if they don't believe in a god.

🤨 Actually the reason I hate socialism is because we have to put trust in people who are nothing but greedy fucking assholes. Swapping from capitalism to socialism will do nothing but give people benefitting from capitalism ***more*** power. Why would I give more power to ...

High tide raises all ships. Making people's lives better benefits everyone.

"they perpetuate lies!" says the sub that is almost exclusively unverifiable screenshots of social media with the data/time stamps removed.

Our economy is entirely based on rent-taking for the sin of existing, so nothing is ever free. Data scraping, for one.

I believe every working person deserves a living wage that affords security, dignity, and opportunity, *and* we should retain additional financial incentives for jobs that are in demand but not otherwise desirable and for entrepreneurial risk-takers. There's a lot of jobs that...

Does it have to be one or the other? Can't some people be lazy pieces of shit that wouldn't do anything unless forced to, and others be amazing human beings with near-limitless potential? I mean, people are *people*...

People just want the sense that they're building something rather than feeding people to an insatiable sarlak pit.

Yeah man, that's why humanity began organized society in the first place right guys? So that we could suffer all day to maximize our productivity and reduce the amount of downtime we have for dangerous activities such as invention and innovation. Totes.

I noticed that throughout history most of the “great minds” came from privilege, which makes sense, they have the time and resources to actually follow their trains of thoughts or interesting artistic ideas, isaac newton would not have had the time to sit under an apple tree, ...

Both are true because Ambitious people will be free to do as they please and the the people who aren't will be free to do as they please. And that's kinda how it works. Not every member of modern society needs to be a Hedy Lamarr or a George de Mestral in order to justify th...

This is just based on my own personal experience so take this with a grain of salt, but from what I've seen and done myself people who identify as socialist, leftist, liberal, whatever, are far more likely to do something good when there's no expectation of reward than someone...

Additionally the number one predictor of street crime is coming from low socio-economic status.

The entire "American left" needs a full rebrand. Instead of socialism call it anti-welfare, but just make the targets of the anti-welfare the billionaire class and corporations. Messaging like "we just want our tax dollars to go back to us, not to companies and foreign gover...

In this case, the truth actually does lie in the middle. Neither person here is totally wrong (or totally right). Some people would do nothing if life were easy. Some people would do more than they currently do. The fact that people disagree with an opinion and just go with ...

yeah it goes both ways. like if you gave everyone $100 a month for groceries a lot would buy food. but some would just buy alcohol or cigarettes or zyn's everyone takes advantage of the system we all know speed limit is 65mph but we all goo 70mph + on the freeway u give an ...

I know I wouldn't. It's my dream to some day do nothing.

True, but also no one will remove the garbage.

People who complain about Socialism, are actually complaining about Communism. People who complain about Capitalism, are actually complaining about Corporatism. The difference in both are the authoritarians and oligarchs who implement the policies and hijack them to benefi...

I want to make games. I want to be responsible for people having fun. I'm working for a bank, helping the rich get richer.

Jesus Christ is a socialist. It isn't rocket science, when poor people help each other out of the hole, it's good for both of us.

I love the example of Minecraft Middle Earth. It's been around since 2010 and took tens of thousands of manhours to complete. What'd they get out of it? The pleasure of having created such a magnificent monument to one of the greatest worlds ever imagined. You will never convi...

About 0.01% of people do want to sit back and not do anything, who ruin it for everyone else.

As a van lifer at the age of sixty I can definitively say that the people my age who are miserable bastards and take their grief out on everyone else have usually chased only one thing, money for their whole life. And now the realise that they have an expensive house, an expen...

As a van lifer at the age of sixty I can definitively say that the people my age who are miserable bastards and take their grief out on everyone else have usually chased only one thing, money for their whole life. And now the realise that they have an expensive house, an expen...

But also...I don't expect to get things for "free." I'd just rather see MY TAX dollars go toward social services instead of massive subsidies for corporations. Why do they get financial aid while people in my community struggle to survive?

To paraphrase Stewart Lee, the right wing believes the rich deserve to be rich and the poor deserve to be poor. The left wing believes the rich do not deserve to be rich and the poor do not deserve to be poor.

I am gone for work from 6 to 6, what positive things am I going to do for my community if I’m never around in daylight.

Also, as difficult as it might be for some of us to rise up and labor for the public good, I'm sure a larger (and more honorable) cohort among us has serious troubles rising up and laboring for the wealth of a narrow corporate elite.

The idea that human nature is to be greedy and selfish is an evil lie perpetuated by capitalists. It's like seeing a juggling bear in the circus and declaring it is in the bear's nature to juggle.

If people were wonderful then why is human history filled with war, slavery, extortion, rape, pillaging, and slaughter. If your political system relies on people choosing to do the right thing, then you dont have a political system, you have a fantasy.

Pay people enough to live and pay bills, they will work better, its just a fact of life, underpay and abuse people and they will either quit or work less efficiently. Ideally some kind of UBI so people can get an education or pick what job they might wanna work at would be be...

Most people won't do good regardless. If what Jessica was saying was true then billionaires would be the best of us, not a bunch of pedophiles who poison rivers and destroy democracies.

Right. I get bored doing nothing, I want to be productive, I want to pay my taxes and live in a world with nice things. A few people are going to exploit the system for sure, but the majority of people are willing to work to help make the world better. What we have currently...

Can confirm. I spent about half my life struggling to get by in a world I could never quite understand, then finally got on the VERY MINIMAL benefits of SSI as 'unemployably autistic.' That was a decade or so ago, and since then I have discovered my art (building electric gu...


Got that right Jessica Grace people aren't lazy just exhausted from juggling rent and dreams

I don't  want shit for free, I want my tax dollars to pay for shit that I and my family need and not endless war in... *checks notes... fucking Iran I guess.

Today I built a lamp from scratch... I don't get days like this often, but I do love them

The moment they started calling me a Socialist because I wanted to be able to take a train to work in a major city (Miami), their argument lost all credibility to me. What was your moment?

By that logic inheritance should be illegal. Everyone should have to start with 0 so they work hard.

Work retail and two of the older ladies I work with were talking about the fact that they'd never use food stamps today, and I was like people aren't lazy, you didn't have to starve when you were young, poor, parents, the system isn't abused, but it is manipulated because peop...

Dont you mean the Predator Class?

I had a discussion with a family member about having a healthcare system that is paid by taxes. Even though they spent most of their adult lives dealing with people starved of resources through no fault of their own, they still thought of it as stealing from others. They kept ...

I think the idea that people are fundamentally lazy and need work is deep rooted cultural propaganda that spans civilisations and has been perpetuated by the ruling class of every human society. If anything Billionaires are the most unproductive arseholes. I still have no id...

I’m glad that you’re the kind of optimist that can see the good in other people. Or large groups of people. We need more like you. But regardless of what you believe (and I do not question your right to your beliefs) we have over a century of well documented empirical evidence...

My brother and my best friends brother, my coworker's brother, my aunt, and my cousin are without question lazy fucks. Each will work extraordinarily hard to avoid getting a job, as if a job carried the plague. They'll all work harder than an actual job, to avoid working. Ev...

I would do forestry work for free if I didn't have a job. Would also volunteer to do clean up which I do currently.

it's proven over and over again when expanded social programs and smaller work weeks are trialed in towns all over the world. The population gets far happier, more productive, and the economy grows. But if it spread the people that run shit wouldn't get as much so they always ...