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Corporate Adviser Says the Ideal Number of Human Employees at a Business Is Zero

An outspoken cybersecurity engineer and AI booster has sparked massive outrage after claiming that the ideal, natural, clean, happy state for any firm is to have exactly zero human workers. Arguing that corporations are actively trying to reach this goal, he believes AI is simply finishing what the Industrial Revolution started.

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Misericorde427
Misericorde427· 30d ago

As long as the includes the CEOs and every level of management, I'm fine with that idea.

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99mPhPup
99mPhPup· 29d ago

For the number to be 0 it would have to. There will no longer be management there will just be owners and robots.

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2g64ae3a-wi7hf
2g64ae3a-wi7hf· 29d ago

You’re fine with the capital owning class just automating everything and creating a planet that’s essentially one giant ghetto except for them? The managers are often just in debted petite bourgeois and themselves a few paychecks from losing it all too. Capitalism will absol...

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Clear-Lion921
Clear-Lion921· 29d ago

It should also include ownership. Absolutely no human share holders. If that's the case, I'm fine with it. No one works, corps fight to provide us service, we are truly equal.

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Calm-Dragon175
Calm-Dragon175· 29d ago

Do CEOs really not understand that if there are no employees, then nobody has money. If nobody has money, then nobody can buy shit. If nobody buys shit, then the companies go out of business. If they really want their bullshit capitalist system to continue, then they need paid...

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keimko_
keimko_· 30d ago

That would require a collective mindset which is the exact opposite of how one gets a CEO job

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FairWhale469
FairWhale469· 30d ago

Capitalism does not incentivize CEOs to think that way. Every CEO is running a company they think is the one that will survive, and has an important place in the market. If they didn't think that, they wouldn't work there and the company would sink/fail.

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T_heOneThatObseRves
T_heOneThatObseRves· 30d ago

It’s a flaw in capitalism. If your company is the only one not fully automated then you go out of business as you can’t compete. So everyone try’s to automate. But if everyone automates then there’s no jobs and companies go under. The only way to stop it would be for the gover...

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Brave_Dog
Brave_Dog· 29d ago

So prices will drop dramatically right…..Right?!?!

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MomtrelPH
MomtrelPH· 29d ago

Of course not!

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Fickle_Ad5447
Fickle_Ad5447· 29d ago

And they will support UBI as part of their vast savings... Right..?

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midNightszz
midNightszz· 30d ago

The preferred method of pay that capitalism preferes is none. It demands slaves be greateful for being captured and considered worthy of being enslaved n the first place. You cannot reason with deliberate parasitism, only attempt to remove it by any means necessary.

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JustunGodfrey
JustunGodfrey· 29d ago

Do it. See how long your company lasts.

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RatSpicy53
RatSpicy53· 29d ago

start removing the CEO's, the rest of the C Suite, then top level executives, then just stop and let us continue our work productively

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Dark-Shadow950
Dark-Shadow950· 29d ago

That can't be right, we've been told all along that the companies are job creators.

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4wxs828fu-1652xzd
4wxs828fu-1652xzd· 29d ago

Banks have already said that this would collapse the economy. Just trying to do this would destroy the entire system.

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As_jNakon
As_jNakon· 29d ago

Mathematically we could enter a system where the top 15% control the vast majority of consumption and companies adjust by producing mostly luxury products. It’s been moving that way for a while. But of course people will rip a system like that down.

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ScaLe-Basic
ScaLe-Basic· 29d ago

Does that mean CEO of the company will open and close the shutters of the company, Mob the floor too. 😂

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Large_Welcome4419
Large_Welcome4419· 30d ago

He thinks it will be ai and robots. No humans nessissary.

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Brave_Penguin
Brave_Penguin· 29d ago

Labor is the most expensive input to the profit equation and shareholders demand ever increasing profits in a world of finite resources. The industrial revolution increased that rate of profit, yes, but the underlying economic system must be considered. Eliminating human work...

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Calm_Shark863
Calm_Shark863· 30d ago

Eliminating the **cost** of human labor is the goal, not eliminating human labor.

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Brave_Frog
Brave_Frog· 29d ago

Meet George Jetson.

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PhoenixBrave60
PhoenixBrave60· 29d ago

If AI is finishing what the industrial revolution started, then we need a new Ned Ludd to finish what the Luddites started.

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hz7tgnl4zwmk06eq
hz7tgnl4zwmk06eq· 29d ago

The machines can't repair the machines and the machines we are building are junk in the first place.

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Normal_Corner-2974
Normal_Corner-2974· 29d ago

tell me that a Corprate advisor never has worked in a real production facility without telling me that he has never worked in a real production facility?

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jiwonkwxn57
jiwonkwxn57· 30d ago

As long as it includes CEO and board of directors, then its fine. Then corporation ceases to exist and the world is better off. So go ahead corporate world, Google, Microslop, Apple, Amazon, make the change.

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MDs2135
MDs2135· 29d ago

All of these freaks ideal company has no employees, doesn’t do anything, and is worth 20 trillion dollars. They live in a complete fantasy.

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Fickke-ad5449
Fickke-ad5449· 29d ago

The ideal number of billionaires is also zero.

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IcyBird866
IcyBird866· 29d ago

Cool, and what about human customers?

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Beautifu_lAntelope349
Beautifu_lAntelope349· 29d ago

Go away! ‘baitin’.

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4vi3lsgp1l_ky2u
4vi3lsgp1l_ky2u· 30d ago

It sounds like joke I would say to my parents as we were having dinner after coming home from their jobs as elementary school teachers and they were telling war stories about the annoying things the kids were doing "It sounds like the perfect school is the one without any stud...

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Addi_tionalClub3444
Addi_tionalClub3444· 29d ago

Yes thats literally the end game for capitalism

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8anzi_n1fwyz9o
8anzi_n1fwyz9o· 29d ago

So if there's no humans working, and it's all being run by AI, then AI should provide services to humans for free. No operating loss, right?

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aifio95
aifio95· 29d ago

And the ideal cost of everything is free! And it should rain hot chocolate and hail marshmallows!

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Lazy_Fox
Lazy_Fox· 29d ago

I wonder what the ideal number of customers with no money is?

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fuzzY-squirrel-2195
fuzzY-squirrel-2195· 29d ago

Same number as ideal bosses too

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bike_lane_bill69
bike_lane_bill69· 29d ago

Which is fine if there is a concrete plan for how to handle the people who no longer have jobs. We can't all just "go into a trade."

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rolandc7_10
rolandc7_10· 29d ago

That does include the exec's. They're also employees!

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Clear_Tiger360
Clear_Tiger360· 29d ago

Human capital is always the highest cost. So from a numbers only perspective, with no critical thinking of who the customers would be, that’s an accurate statement I guess.

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BraveDragon136
BraveDragon136· 30d ago

"Cool so when are you quitting"

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schmoonA
schmoonA· 29d ago

Corporations are people too.

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BrightRat_91
BrightRat_91· 30d ago

So after everyone is fired on masse who do they think will be the customers?

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South_Limit_1849
South_Limit_1849· 30d ago

This is the same as saying “the most secure software is no software”. Sure, technically right, but not realistic.

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fadedtiger3602
fadedtiger3602· 29d ago

I must have missed this part while getting my MBA…

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ShymAiden
ShymAiden· 29d ago

So how does the trickling down work?

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Justin_Godgrey30
Justin_Godgrey30· 30d ago

I mean, it is. Zero cost, infinite profit is the ideal.

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Clever-Eagle678
Clever-Eagle678· 29d ago

Alright boys pack it up we're done.

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Calm_SignifIcance139
Calm_SignifIcance139· 29d ago

How do these CEOs expect anyone to even buy their shit then? You can’t sell products to slaves who are always working. There’s a finite amount of wealthy people in the world and don’t want anyone cutting in on their action as it is.

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youknowm_easjess
youknowm_easjess· 29d ago

Cool. So when the AI inevitably does something silly like delete a bunch of data, send a garbage text email out to every client, fail to monitor a key piece of safety equipment or just decide to stop working, all these geniuses will have a solution for us then and will actuall...

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Beekier_t
Beekier_t· 29d ago

Safety margins are unneccessary expences to capitalism.

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BrightDog88
BrightDog88· 29d ago

Corporate adviser advises no employees needed to make/sell their garbage products. Corporate adviser advises employed people needed to buy/subscribe their garbage products.

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g9oy1ttyrxt3k
g9oy1ttyrxt3k· 29d ago

Who do these CEOs expect to buy their crap

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wEwiolrcy
wEwiolrcy· 29d ago

That’s so funny! As a human employee I’ve often said that the ideal number of corporate advisors is zero.

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democraticles26
democraticles26· 29d ago

I mean thats the ideal number employees around the world. Isnt this exactly what AI was meant to do? Take our jobs so we can chill.

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xzIll6
xzIll6· 29d ago

Good. Gift us UBI and we’ll be on our way.

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BrightWolf8881
BrightWolf8881· 30d ago

So, does this genius... this TITAN of industry, this Einstein of the modern day, this self made Tesla... know what his customer base will be?

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RB7Network
RB7Network· 30d ago

So...what the fuck are we meant to do and how does the economy operate then?

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Fair_Sloth761
Fair_Sloth761· 29d ago

So the ideal number of customers must also be 0 then.

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65n5537p-neg4ic6
65n5537p-neg4ic6· 30d ago

At that point it's just shareholders begging for money.

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canye_East
canye_East· 29d ago

Including the corporate advisor.

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fadeDhalo9
fadeDhalo9· 29d ago

This guy should stop talking and just do it. I can't wait to see the results.

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J-adore_La_LaVende51
J-adore_La_LaVende51· 30d ago

I'm convinced that part of the deal to buy these AI models comes with a discount if you bragg about this BS Ultimately they want it to reduce labor costs but even if it's not successful it will have done it's job if it convinces all of us that we have to accept lower wages si...

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Clear_Snake591
Clear_Snake591· 30d ago

This should start with this advisor.

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DogLazy87
DogLazy87· 29d ago

As a fellow Cybersecurity Engineer, this tells me this dude is a blow hard. Yes, the biggest threat to security is between the chair and the screen, but that's both job security and the least likely thing to malfunction.

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tigersmHs07
tigersmHs07· 29d ago

...does that include replacing "corporate advisors"?

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milklovingftm70
milklovingftm70· 30d ago

Dos he have a job? I think his should be the first to go.

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Quique1224
Quique1224· 29d ago

Weird way of articulating that the current state of Corporate Capitalism doesn’t work.

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Yoink_sTa
Yoink_sTa· 30d ago

The ideal number of consumers of that company’s product or services is zero. Along with revenues and profits.

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Deep-Dragon49
Deep-Dragon49· 29d ago

The funny part is that AI should ultimately replace the most expensive, least productive parts of a company. The C Suite. You have AI with intakes data and outputs decisions based on the best data without bias for self interest or enrichment. Then you have the lowest cost la...

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PizzaRepresent
PizzaRepresent· 30d ago

If we’re getting paid a UBI, that’s fine by me

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Bear_5337
Bear_5337· 30d ago

Ugh. I’m so tired of this AI craze. Either do it already and eliminate the jobs or shut the fuck up already.

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Da_Real-Officialfrog
Da_Real-Officialfrog· 29d ago

And when they have no use for us, then what?

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Kind-Hawk85
Kind-Hawk85· 29d ago

All the employees are gone, its perfect. It's a perfect business having no employees. The future of a planet without people making their homes there. From the board room straight into the garbage can labeled 'time '. On the way out for the top: golden pair of shoop, golden shoop.

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CoolDragon384
CoolDragon384· 29d ago

Ideally that would be the start of a thought experiment followed by... "but that's not realistic, so here's how we increase efficiency of who we do have"... but i guess now it's realistic...

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