Barely enough Democrats side with Trump. Again. See the pattern yet?
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Burn it the fuck down.
We are at the stage where a general strike would be appropriate.
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Easy, my vote only goes to progressive socialist like AOC or Zohran. Fuck voting for lesser evil.
name these defectors
They aren’t defectors, they’re the ones appointed to take the hit this time around.
Let’s stop going to work since they aren’t representing the American people. Knowing their names doesn’t mean shit.
An important thing to realize is that a lot more Dems wanted to side with Republicans. But they know that this is an unpopular war, so they selected a few Dems within their ranks to male the unpopular choice. That way the bill can fail (narrowly failing and failing by a wide m...
There is one party, the Capitalist United Front
Most people think it's like basketbal, team red vs team blue. But it's more like football, and there's only just one team/party - republicans play offense right now, democrats are on defense. If Dems are in charge dems play offense and repubs play defense. And they're all pl...
Same as it’s ever been
Capitalist United National Team When you see it...
I think it's also important to look at the voting patterns of these individuals. These guys have always been DINOs. [https://time.com/7382846/democrats-who-voted-against-war-powers-resolution-iran-conflict-trump/](https://time.com/7382846/democrats-who-voted-against-war-power...
God are democrats copying so many dumb Republican shit now like "RINO". Just call them "centrists". They're not leftists. Not everyone in the Dems or Reps SHOULD agree because the US has stupid 2 party system.
I'm sorry to tell you, they're just Democrats
DINOs supported by the DNC. The DNC stepped in to crush the progressives that ran against them, Cueller almost lost to one but the DNC stepped in to make sure that seat stayed solidly blue-red.
This ain't your everyday lame duck president. 😒
He could've fucked off and golfed the whole time...
We didn't get here overnight, we won't get out of the wilderness overnight. The way to address this frustration is getting involved in the primaries. That's how Republicans did it and they lost for decades but didn't quit.
Cuellar won his primary vs a progressive opponent by less than 300 votes. It would have taken finding just 300 more working class people and convincing them to vote in the primary election.
Exactly. People underestimate the power of primaries. Get involved in local government. See what your city council is up to. What organizations are having an impact in your community? There are TONS of ways that we the people can get involved. Voting is literally the bare mi...
Someone was asleep during the 2016 Democratic Presidential primaries, where the DNC gave every edge and advantage to Clinton in order to have their golden child win the nomination. Shit was so corrupt that after Clinton won the nomination, the DNC chair quit to work for her ca...
Supposedly Mark Kelly was considering voting for it. His office received such immediate backlash that he recanted.
This was a vote in the house. Mark Kelly is in the senate. Mark Kelly voted for the version in the senate last week. https://ktar.com/arizona-news/war-powers-resolution-kelly-gallego/5831385/
And they think this guy can be president.
Jared Golden (Maine), Henry Cuellar (Texas), Greg Landsman (Ohio), and Juan Vargas (California).
almost every democrat voted against it but the post says "democrats sided with trump instead" in an attempt to make the entire party look as bad as republicans and convince you that your vote doesn't matter. again. get it yet?
Look we have to reach across the aisle. We need to move on and put this behind us. Better republican than a leftist. Woops as a Dem I was not supposed to say that last one out loud.
My whole fucking life has been "AWWWW MAAAAN, we ALMOST had enough votes to do the right thing. But wouldt'cha know it, it lost by one or two" Its not a coincidence. Its every goddamned time.
Bribes. Every time. And the current regime has FAR better setup for it than previous admins. Crypto and the DJT SPAC are doing some very heavy lifting.
but if you ever try to mention this in earshot of liberals, you'll get viciously attacked with, "oh so you think both sides are the same??" so no serious conversation can ever happen. you'll get told to shut the fuck up and vote blue no matter who because trump something somet...
almost every democrat voted against it but the post says "democrats sided with trump instead" in an attempt to make the entire party look as bad as republicans and convince you that your vote doesn't matter. again. get it yet?
We have a uniparty government that is basically just controlled opposition. Lobbying is taking place of the voters and corporations rule the world. We are fucked.
this shit just breeds nihilism, which nihilism is partially how we got here. We have primaries for a reason. Vote out corporate shill democrats during the primaries.
Massie’s my rep and while he is a weird libertarian and had issues, his Epstein and Iran war pushback have been pretty good.
He's absolutely top of the list for Republicans; almost no contest
215 Republicans vote it down, 4 Democrats 211 Democrats vote for it, 1 Republican WHY DID THE DEMOCRATS DO THIS TO US!!!!!???? Fuck those four, absolutely devastating, but distribute your condemnation in equal proportions to the vote - 98.5% at Republicans, 1.5% at four dip...
You might have a point if shit like this was rare instead of totally the norm. But guess what?
You're still politically underdeveloped if you think they're 2 separate parties. That would make you a neoliberal, like the other comment pointed out.
No no, both parties are EQUALLY at fault because social media told me so! /s Seriously though, this sort of shit is 100% propaganda pushed by Republicans
There's always juuust enough Democratic defectors to thwart Dem plans. Funny how that's been the case for decades.
Exactly. Whenever something important needs to happen, any check to the elite, SOME HOW those 4 votes creep in to shut down all meaningful change.
What's almost worse is the legion of idiots thinking it's just a "coincidence" that every time there's just enough Dem defectors. Like god damnet, the amount of bloody fucking morons is brutal.
Manchin and Sinema left, but, how convenient, here's Fetterman to take their place! Honestly, if people can't see that politics has become political theater, I don't know what to say to convince them at this point.
Work strike now
Look into what the unions are planning for 2028. People who call for strikes “right now” have no clue how difficult it is to coordinate a general strike. And have no idea how cooked we are because almost every industry is captured at this point
I think we need a bit more than that. https://i.redd.it/z3324iix3uog1.gif
Why are we equating 4 DINOS with the entire party? Edit: Also, I wouldn't take a "left wing" account with a Punisher skull seriously. Thanks to the 2 people who actually answered my question.
They trade off on who sides with republicans, other than the usuals like fetterman and the maine senator
almost every democrat voted against it but the post says "democrats sided with trump instead" in an attempt to make the entire party look as bad as republicans and convince you that your vote doesn't matter. again. get it yet?
Its not the same 4, they rotate who takes the GOP's side. The dems arent a real opposition party. Same with the budget bill recently. This is how its always been. We need a workers party, not to bourgeois parties.
Yet, people get down voted for pointing out how Democrats are controlled opposition.
Just a few years ago critiques of the DNC got you blasted on Reddit by Dems. Today? Even those morons are seeing that the DNC is useless and shitty. You can criticize the DNC without getting a Dem immediately posting that you must be a MAGA. No, I see a pathetic party lead ...
Unga bunga, me no understand politics, one person not vote with rest of party must be magic
The issue is that most people saying "it's all controlled by..." Tend to assume the proper response is "so I refuse to vote". But this is exactly what those that manipulate the government want. If you hate the government, the only way to make it better is to participate. If ...
Dictatorship of Capital
Gee, it's almost like Democrats exist to give the "appearance" of an opposition.
Look, I get your anger with the Democratic party, but this is what happens when you’re out of power. If we had won the 2024 elections, we might actually be getting shit done right now. But that attitude isn’t helping.
Or maybe there's more nuance to it, and while there are democrats that are enslaved to corporate money, other operate independently? What is your plan? Light everything on fire? Hope you grandchildren maybe will rebuild something nice? It's a lot more realistic to plan "ok, ...
I love the arguments of “we can’t vote against a war before it starts because it’s too early” and now “we can’t vote against the war after it starts because it’s too late.”
see also how it's never time to try to reform the Democrats, they have to focus on winning the next election but maybe after the election we can talk about it fucking *Hunter S. Thompson* complained about them doing that shit in the *1970s*
All democrats who voted for war in iran should be expelled from the party.
This is what Democrats do. They work together to determine who can take the hit of defecting on any particular issue and then side with Republicans to make as much money as they can. Happens in the senate and the house.
Yeah, we get it. But the other side started the war. Another war. So rather than break it down into simple this vs that, think of it like Kitchen Nightmares. Cut those who can't hack it or are bad and replace them with the right people. With the left, that'll take a few years...
Top and bottom, not left and right!
Controlled opposition
That “vote blue no matter who” crowd care to explain their stance now? Between Fetterman and Sinema and now this nonsense, I might as well throw my vote away.
almost every democrat voted against it but the post says "democrats sided with trump instead" in an attempt to make the entire party look as bad as republicans and convince you that your vote doesn't matter. again. get it yet?
I'm personally never falling for the lesser of the two evils argument again because this is what it looks like.
They are all on the same side, not yours.
It's because Democrats are still very old school. Used to be the parties weren't expected to always vote the same as everyone in their party. They refuse to play the game. It sucks. But I would prefer if the GOP was like that too. But they're a cult, so.
Capitalism is a Republican ideology. They just give us the idea that we have a choice.
Not even worth talking to people who think the Democrats are our heros. Both sides hate us and don't want to help us in any way possible. The system is against us and will only get worse until we do something to change it.
It's called the "rotating villain" and it existed since Lieberman. I swear to god I hate telling people I told you so, but people said "no its just chance" or "they just happened to have the numbers." No... this is not coincidence.. certainly not after 20+ years of them alwa...
Democrats are scum. We need a real leftist movement in this country bad!
212 voted for it (210 Democrats and 2 republicans) 219 voted against it (4 democrats and 215 republicans) And you paint this as democrats are just the same as republicans. "both sides are the same" narrative is just right wing propaganda to make it difficult for people to ac...
Beholden to their masters the Billionaires Club.
pretty obvious
This is why so many people stop trusting the whole performance, the labels change, but the votes keep telling the real story
almost every democrat voted against it but the post says "democrats sided with trump instead" in an attempt to make the entire party look as bad as republicans and convince you that your vote doesn't matter. again. get it yet?
There’s always enough Democrats to stop any good legislation and also support any bad legislation. Always.
Good cop, bad cop; both cops, and we're in lockup.
They always seem to have just enough votes to tank any meaningful legislation, it's almost like they're controlled opposition.
There is only one party. The corporate party.
almost every democrat voted against it but the post says "democrats sided with trump instead" in an attempt to make the entire party look as bad as republicans and convince you that your vote doesn't matter. again. get it yet?
Never vote blue no matter who. This is what you get, conservatives in the democrats party.
Fuck!
Yup. Name them. Get them the fuck out. Pack the state and locals.
You're saying this like there wasn't more who supported it but just chose to stay out of the spotlight and let these 4 take the fall.
The left doesn't toe the line like right wing authoritarians do so we need a bigger margin to account for the handful of people who will betray the party. There's always a few like the blue dogs, that's why we don't have public medicine also.
Go to the Primaries!
We DID. DNC Lawyers Argue DNC Has Right to Pick Candidates in Back Rooms | Observer https://share.google/jsNKSCqFRvV0ds8RK
libs gonna lib
Fascist republicans are why I vote for dems. Dems are why I'm registered independent. Feckless wimps. They are the opposition party in name only. Their complacency is complicity.
As an outsider, it's painfully clear that both Democrats and Republican politicians all want the same thing, and the fighting between them is theatre. Everything that's happened since Trump took office is supported by both parties.
The "vote blue no matter who" crowd takes yet another L Won't be the last
The DNC is nothing more than controlled opposition. Every single party the US has are capitalists. There isn't a single political party (at least that has any sort of chance) in the US that actually represents the working class.
crazy how there's always enough dems to go to war but never enough to get healthcare or loan forgiveness or protect Roe or
Everyone needs to understand this isn’t a war powers authorization, this was a war powers limitation. The attempt to limit failed, but they still haven’t authorized the use of the military for war. Don’t let them lie to us and say he has authority now because this failed.
Every Single Time
So where are all of those assholes from the last 10 years bashing me for and banning me from the Politics sub for pointing out both parties are part of the same oligarchy problem?
Rotating Villain Theory.
Wow how pathetic. They should be sent to the frontlines
Before anyone shouts “theyre so incompetent!” Or “what are they thinking?!” Capitalists gonna capitalist.
My current explanation is they are in the Epstein files themselves. Republicans don't hold a monopoly on being sucked into honeypot operations and being blackmailed.
DINOs
Democratic Socialist need to break-off from Bibi/corporate dems and create thier own party.
If they side with trump, then they are Republicans. Or, they're getting paid to become Republicans for short periods of time during votes. No one in Washington DC does anything for free.
What's the pattern? How many years,decades,times it happened?
The Republican party is still by far the worse, there is no whataboutism to reflect that. Sure there are Dems that are not actually dems and work for the uniparty, but there are more people on the left fighting for good than you will ever see in the Republican party. The two...
Not sure how people don't see this. It is obvious.
Because it scares to accept that this isnt an opposition party and all their lives theyve been voting for frauds. So people will defend the democrats because their own ego is on the line.
... That democrats are somewhat ineffectual at corralling their party?
This is how republics die, when the enemy pays to halt the democratic process. This is the same thing that happened to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Americans are slowly realizing their two major political parties are: * Useless Party * Really Fucking Useless Party.
Thank you speaker Johnson, well done, now let's continue blowing them out of the water. At least 4 loons have some sense.
I'm grabbing my pitchfork 🪓💩
The pattern is clear, party loyalty keeps trumping congressional oversight, again and again.
But they don’t stop with their fucking emails begging for cash.
Primary their asses.
4 is not all democrats.
Check their bank accounts
They have defense stocks to care about
That's because they all discuss and agree behind the scenes on which way people are going to vote to ensure their desired outcome while making it appear as if most of the party opposes it. If it hadn't been those 4 democrats, it would have been another 4 democrats.
It's a bit shocking that this isn't obvious to Americans.
Isn't it always the same 4. Fetterman etc
Same team, different jersey. If insider trading were genuinely abolished and Citizens United were overturned, we could have a genuine Democracy.
Controlled opposition
Instead of blaming the full party primary the 4 house members who defected. Losing their seats to a primary challenger is the only message they understand.
Who are they and what concessions did they get for doing this?
Absolutely hilarious nation: "Get shown the regime is against you, make post about it on reddit/twitter, collect updoots, do nothing, repeat."
Both parties have the same exact boss. They are the puppet masters. The politicians are the puppets. I’ve known this for years. People need to wake up to this.
A reminder, they didnt, they needed 60 percent to beat the veto.
It’s almost like you can’t rely on slim margins in congress.
War makes money, politicians need lots of money, states have military contractors, they need lots of money, it's always about the money..Always.
AIPAC gets what AIPAC wants.
Time to start purging them with votes.
Controlled Opposition
If you're looking for evidence of the "both sides are the same' argument being accurate and that this is all a performative game for our oligarch overlords, here you go.
https://preview.redd.it/5n411ueoauog1.jpeg?width=556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba0675f5c8c6da1ad08ee1618fe49fb4ef74aecc being angry just feeds the beast, keeps the system rolling.
This is not sustainable.
AIPAC. Follow the money
All the dirty little piggies wallow in the pig pen together when the cameras are off . All of them
Dems always seem to have enough turncoats to aud6 Republicans.
To be fair: those democrats probably didnt vote that way to side with Trump, they did it to side with Israel
Huh? 212 + 4 = 216 > 219. "Had the votes". What? Fucking another GOP psyop left wing account Edit: I'm an idiot, don't mind me i get it now. Literally figured what this meant right after I clicked comment
Trump will now say he’s got bi-lateral support for this war.
Conservatives lie. Nothing new here. They can register as Democrats just as easily as they can dress up like a copy and assassinate Minnesota politicians and their family members in their homes in the early morning hours. Or how easily they dress up as cops to opportunisticall...
I don't think you know what 'just enough' means. This is more than enough. 3 of those 4 could not have sided and the outcome would have been the same.
Nope. Nope nope nope. This situation is straight up fucked trash.
Aipac rules both parties. Sure they will allow some dems to pretend to oppose the war, as long as they know they have enough votes to continue it. If it came down to giving the deciding vote almost none of them would be the ones to end the war.
What the fuck?!
AIPAC sure is getting it's money worth. Getting the US military to do the heavy lifting for you without any restrictions is almost priceless.
They're doing what israel tells them to do
Two wings. One bird.
We have a far right party and a center right party. We need a left wing party.
They don't bring it to the floor unless they already know the outcome. It's theater.
"Just enough". 212-219 Trying to turn the non-uniformity of 214 house members spread out over the country into a conspiracy.
It would have been good for optics but it's not like Trump wouldn't have vetoed it anyway.
Anyone have the location data for that tweet? A left wing account sure sounds like they're gonna tell people not to vote...
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Even when democrats are in charge there's always just enough opposition for them to meaningfully do nothing.
And yet so many on Reddit argue that the Dems and Republicans are different sides. No they're not.
It's called "rotating villain", Google it
I thought republicans had control of the house