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APprehensiveBat3188
21d agoHealthcare

It is reported that 71% of teachers nationwide have to work at least one second role to build ends meet! This is criminal!

My sister-in-law and her husband are both HS teachers in Ohio. With 2 kids and aging parents needing aid, they are “broke” for all intents and purposes even while living modestly. Make it produce sense

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116 Comments

Hidden_Samsquanche96
Hidden_Samsquanche96· 22d ago

People aren’t angry enough. Teachers have been asked to be the cultivators of the future, while being mandated reporters, nurses, advocates, while being bullied by administration into believing that they are inadequate and incapable, and not providing safeguards from parents w...

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Paneraiguy3
Paneraiguy3· 22d ago

Actually most non-teachers are angry at the curriculum and blame teachers whether its their fault or not. In some poorer rural areas teachers make much more than struggling families so I don't think anyone is getting angry about it anytime soon.

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NoExchanGe_7821
NoExchanGe_7821· 22d ago

Teachers aren’t the only people in that position, why would someone in the same position who isn’t a teacher specifically take up for teachers?

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DogSoggy47
DogSoggy47· 21d ago

Summers off hardly compensates for the 60+ hours/week we work during the school year.

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CrowOfjudgem3nt
CrowOfjudgem3nt· 21d ago

In Arizona, I had to work 2 jobs. In Oregon, I work one. Best decision ever was to move to an area with a stronger union, not that everyone always has this option.

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4vi3lsgp1l_ky2u
4vi3lsgp1l_ky2u· 22d ago

Same, but I moved from Florida to Oregon. Financial freedom definitely lightens the heart

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BrightDog88
BrightDog88· 21d ago

Looking to leave az for the same reason :( which sucks because I really love the area I work in.

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Fair_Fish722
Fair_Fish722· 21d ago

Arizona pay is very low, and it's not a cheap state to live in like it used to be. Most teachers in my school live with 1 or 2 roommates. When rent for a single BR apartment is 2 and a half weeks salary, you start to think about leaving. I've got maybe one more year in Phoe...

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BrightFox7985
BrightFox7985· 21d ago

Try working as a para. They’re basically wage slaves who make less than the students that work at McDonald’s

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mylykis_s
mylykis_s· 22d ago

So this is an honest question, if you can make more at McDonald’s, why don’t you?

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BigBlacKsmi_th5196
BigBlacKsmi_th5196· 22d ago

Thats why I work for an agency. Yes I can be moved around but I also make 10 dollars more an hour (25) than people hired directly from the district. Once I complete my RBT training ill be at 30. I see other states (im from PA) pay and I would never do this job for that pay.

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improbsable68
improbsable68· 22d ago

Yup, I do bus monitoring, after school daycare and summer school in addition to my para duties. I still don’t break 30k/year.

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PeterThetruthSeekar
PeterThetruthSeekar· 21d ago

I think something non teachers don’t understand is the amount of trauma and stress in our bodies come the end of may. I take several weeks to decompress every summer

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CoolDragon384
CoolDragon384· 21d ago

Trauma and stress? It’s lease go work at a level one trauma center then compare the two.

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Bright-River861
Bright-River861· 21d ago

Most teachers don't understand how easy the job is compared to more stressful jobs. If it were as stressful and low paying as they always complain, no one would do it. Certainly not skilled people.

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CombinatiomGreen8981
CombinatiomGreen8981· 21d ago

>I take several weeks to decompress every summer You can be mad all you want but the fact that you get summers off to decompress literally makes the job part time.   186 days ( on average) vs 260 per year is a world of difference that most people are required to work.  I...

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Ka_rmasLittleBitch26
Ka_rmasLittleBitch26· 21d ago

I spent 6 of my 12 years working 20+ hours a week at target while teaching. Fortunately now I am in a great district with great pay and benefits. Should cross 6 figures next year

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marstospa_ce
marstospa_ce· 21d ago

Every day I regret my major more and more I'm gonna have to marry rich

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9lwxle-lo5u8u3
9lwxle-lo5u8u3· 21d ago

No. You will have to divorce someone rich.

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matttHepianoman
matttHepianoman· 21d ago

My husband isn’t rich, but he definitely makes enough income for me to work the job I want. I feel so blessed to have him. Our union is currently on strike and he is the only reason I can do that.

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Ok_lie3975
Ok_lie3975· 22d ago

If there was universal healthcare, maybe that wouldn’t be the case

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zzoll_6
zzoll_6· 22d ago

Why? Most teachers, I know have at least some kind of health plans through work, maybe not 100% but often it’s highly subsidized. Except for exceptions, of course…

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SadBear747
SadBear747· 21d ago

My brother works as a teacher in Canada. Im in the USA. He works 2 jobs even though they have free Healthcare. I think its the cost of living going up. His rent is 3200 a month

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Clever-Eagle678
Clever-Eagle678· 21d ago

I work all week as a teacher and then work at a brewery. As much as I wish I could just work as a teacher, the state of the economy is, as you stated, criminal.

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lelorang39
lelorang39· 22d ago

I do. It’s actually been more rare for me not to over the years.

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rolandc7_10
rolandc7_10· 21d ago

Only time I didn’t was during Covid

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Old_Hawk175
Old_Hawk175· 21d ago

That seems strange, OP. According to a basic search, Ohio pay seems decent. Dual income teachers should be pulling in a little over 100k per year at the lowest step. Granted 100k ain't what it used to be, but it certainly wouldn't qualify as broke.

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I_MicrowaveSteak72
I_MicrowaveSteak72· 21d ago

Especially during an economic downturn when lots of families are struggling. It's understandble everyone wants more money, but most americans are not that concerned about teacher's salaries.

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Loud_Ad-2280
Loud_Ad-2280· 21d ago

Reported where?

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noahstEmann5
noahstEmann5· 21d ago

To each their own but I’ve taught 16 years now, never had a second job, and I think our profession complains the most of any other profession. I know it’s a place to vent but maybe vent to your inner circle. We look awful here complaining. Many have it much worse. I make 75k ...

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ASpranr
ASpranr· 21d ago

I think the exact same. Some teachers are paid dirt and that absolutely warrants kvetching, but a lot of teachers are doing well and for some reason still moaning and groaning. I also dislike the whole patronizing 'teachers are heroes!' crap. Like any other category of people,...

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SilveRHuckleberry395
SilveRHuckleberry395· 22d ago

Our culture does not value education. I also think that we don’t value children much.

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1stking5_09
1stking5_09· 21d ago

100%. And that second part is becoming more and more obvious.

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UnuSual_State1827
UnuSual_State1827· 22d ago

I've heard this numbers like this bandied about and I always wonder how many of these teachers are counting stipended work (like coaching) as second jobs. Not to say that there it shouldn't be counted, but just a curiosity.

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Eager_Cat138
Eager_Cat138· 22d ago

Same. Also side hustles/monetized hobbies.

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wdS4
wdS4· 22d ago

I got a stipend as a band director for concerts, trips, parades and festivals- it was about $700

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Bear_5337
Bear_5337· 22d ago

I think about half of our teachers have some kind of second job / side hustle / farm that they work at outside of school. The stipends that we get for different extracurriculars are usually only $500 to $1000.

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Brave_Potato
Brave_Potato· 21d ago

Every teacher in this sub does nothing but complain that their students can't read. As such, they're probably getting paid enough for the job that they're doing.

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Ech_oOfOppEnheimer
Ech_oOfOppEnheimer· 21d ago

I do private tutoring 5-6 hours a week, summer curriculum writing, 1099 work writing educational content for different companies, and I’ve been a fitness instructor all at the same time while teaching to make ends meet. Only thing I’ve dropped is fitness instructor because I h...

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HomeNuwWTF44
HomeNuwWTF44· 22d ago

Been in it for five years. I've never not had a second job. I always do an extra job in the summer for sure, and normally pick up some odd jobs or coach during the school year. I really like coaching, but that salary is so pitiful for the commitment that this year I stepped ...

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FalconNeat47
FalconNeat47· 21d ago

Coach here, 3 1/2 years in, I’m done after this current season lol

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north_cAnedian_ice
north_cAnedian_ice· 22d ago

Come on now. It’s largely purely by choice, due to the summer schedule being free.

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BloomberfTAx
BloomberfTAx· 21d ago

I am working 2 jobs. Have for 8 years. I live in the DFW and the cost of living is so high and our insurance is crazy high. So yes it is necessary sometimes to work 2 jobs

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FoxCrisp29
FoxCrisp29· 22d ago

Yeah, this is like, "I teach and coach". This is rage bait.

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mesme13
mesme13· 22d ago

Now you understand why my wife and I (both teachers) only had one child. We spent a weekend running spreadsheets to see if we could afford to have any more. That Monday I had an appt for end of the same week for a vasectomy.

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HappyTiger616
HappyTiger616· 22d ago

Most full time jobs don’t get summers off and random weeks off thought out the year.

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PinkFox719
PinkFox719· 21d ago

So that’s 10+ weeks we don’t get paid for in the summer, a week for spring break, two weeks at Christmas. That’s a lot of days to not get paid for! I understood that before I took the job.

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Datboi_89
Datboi_89· 22d ago

Lots of people work two jobs. Why should teaching be any different?

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cnn75
cnn75· 22d ago

Not me. Love my summers and vacations.

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Jolly-Whale639
Jolly-Whale639· 22d ago

I really only work the 2nd job when I want to. Working in the gas station is honestly a good change of pace during the summers. Pretty mindless.

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HR_Vex
HR_Vex· 21d ago

Interesting. Do you have the link for the article? Would love to read it

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FuzzyTiger6818
FuzzyTiger6818· 22d ago

I love references to reports that don’t include any links to their source. Weren’t they taught this in school? ;)

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Robot_1885
Robot_1885· 22d ago

the criminals are the owners of society...whoops!

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AngryLion428
AngryLion428· 22d ago

Dang, have a few cousins that are teachers in DFW/Austin. $76k-$80k wages, star grants for another $5k-$10k plus another $25k-$30k from summer jobs. That summer income placed into investments. Most started at $60k plus, speak a second language and Stem for bonuses. Housi...

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Eager-Bird555
Eager-Bird555· 21d ago

I haven’t seen housing prices dropping here though. At least for Houston.

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No_HunkEt_1176
No_HunkEt_1176· 21d ago

Does this include the 3 months off and them taking all the money in 9 months then having to work?

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Resilient_Hort_67613
Resilient_Hort_67613· 21d ago

Not 3. 68 days...june 24>Sept. 3

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Happy_Penguin
Happy_Penguin· 21d ago

During the school year or in the summer? Working another job in summer makes sense but during the school year it’s too much

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Dark_Mountain37
Dark_Mountain37· 21d ago

It's a seasonal job so...

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Sttange_chip_3434
Sttange_chip_3434· 22d ago

Having approximately 190 days out of the year where you actually report to work makes it a prime opportunity to earn extra income. You say it like it’s a bad thing.

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Justin_Godfrey42
Justin_Godfrey42· 22d ago

formal education is one of the most valuable things humanity has invented and has directly contributed to literally everything you enjoy about the world and reduced everything you dont (except apparently liberalism which makes sense for a nazi propaganda bot like you to hate a...

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Kleanse_Your_Sole
Kleanse_Your_Sole· 21d ago

This stat feels like ragebait. A lot of teachers tutor, coach or do something else during the Summer months. I’m a musician and I gig/ tour/ give private lessons throughout the year as my schedule allows. I don’t frame this as “I work 4 jobs to make ends meet,” though.

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jMh215
jMh215· 21d ago

I suppose perspective can be multi layered , I’m reading comments from teachers in Arizona who are trying to transfer out of state because it takes 2 1/2 paychecks to cover the cost of a one bedroom apartment

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noahstEmann5
noahstEmann5· 22d ago

USA. Salary levels differ among states and often reflect the degree of unionization and state funding (enormous). This has been the case for years. Si enter at your own risk.

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Camille_Yun10
Camille_Yun10· 21d ago

My kids' school listed a bunch of jobs on Indeed for next year, and I was SHOCKED by the pay range. It's fucking criminal. I can't make it make sense. I will say that the $1 billion we're spending each day in Iran would go a long way toward paying teachers wages that reflect ...

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Fair_Sloth761
Fair_Sloth761· 22d ago

Not from the USA, from Spain. Why do you keep teaching? Here many people is trapped in the job because jobs with good salaries and conditions are scarce in a high unemployment country, especially in the south or rural áreas, but that's not the problem in the USA.

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Neat_Dragon
Neat_Dragon· 22d ago

I know, in *some* states, where teachers get a pension, *some* don’t get Social Security so if you leave teaching after 10 or 15 years, you’re not getting a full teacher’s pension, and you’re not going to get as much Social Security either.

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Resilient_Hort_67613
Resilient_Hort_67613· 21d ago

Everyone’s broke. Ban billionaires. Eat the rich.

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beeemkcl15
beeemkcl15· 22d ago

I’ve never worked a second job in 20 years and I never will. My wife is also a teacher and we have one kid. We travel pretty extensively and like in a very expensive city, but I’ve always been able to make it work. I’m not really sure how people’s finances work that don’t allo...

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Bright-Raven215
Bright-Raven215· 22d ago

Student loans! That is the only difference I can think of is the amount of debt people are taking out to become teacher teachers. I am OK, but I am definitely included in the college loans scam. Fortunate enough to have married into upper middle class.

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AlternAtive_Dot-34
AlternAtive_Dot-34· 22d ago

Most teachers only get paid to work 75% to 80% of the year. So they’re making less than if they worked 100% of the year. So if you took another person in a different job (who worked year-round) who made the same daily rate as a teacher, a teacher is automatically making 20 t...

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SilentSlug_207
SilentSlug_207· 21d ago

Unionize?

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LynxQuiet79
LynxQuiet79· 21d ago

I agree it’s criminal. I’m a special ed paraprofessional , and I hold a second job whenever I can maintain one, but sometimes my health, or family health issues get in the way. It’s especially hard for those of us who are “single” and don’t have a joint income family. It’s iro...

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BraveTiger592
BraveTiger592· 22d ago

We’ve got quite a few teachers retiring and a couple have expressed great interest in making their side hustle a full time job. Which with their pension would have them making more money than they currently are.

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JewVoder1
JewVoder1· 22d ago

I drove a mini bus after school and to some events on weekends in the fall. I also taught lessons and was a custodian for a local building. Especially in the fall, I was doing 70-80 hour weeks regularly. Still far far below six figures.

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HelpWithMYaddic_tions
HelpWithMYaddic_tions· 22d ago

I moved back in with my parents after college. I sell fireworks for 2 weeks in the summer and make 2 months equivalent pay to my teaching contract at year 7, masters education lane. Then I teach summer camp and make about a thousand for 2 weeks. Without either, I would have ze...

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Brave_Dog
Brave_Dog· 21d ago

I was lucky enough to be gifted enough to pay off a very modest home before prices spiked in '18. If i had to pay a mortgage i would absolutely have to get a second job. I was extremely lucky and i know it. The whole field is no longer tenable, we can't have millions of peop...

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Quick_Badger65
Quick_Badger65· 22d ago

I desperately need to work a second job, but have young children who need care. I got into this job to be on the same schedule as my children, but I'm finding that to be a trap because I can't afford to take care of them on my salary. I can't find a part time job that would pa...

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yoooodonviTo
yoooodonviTo· 21d ago

Yep. I have two other occasional side gigs. My husband and I are both teachers.

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FrogLazy76
FrogLazy76· 22d ago

Have you thought about selling plasma? Honest ‘work’ if you have enough circulating plasma volume in body! 🤣😂🤷‍♂️ /s In all seriousness, teachers are amazing, altruistic folks who all deserve solid six figure salaries! In a just world, imparting knowledge and helping gro...

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BrightFish239
BrightFish239· 21d ago

I have a second job for every season just to make ends meet.

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aupk6u66_0n8
aupk6u66_0n8· 21d ago

High school teacher with 26 years experience here. I make just over six figures, but I have to work two jobs to do it.

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ClearCat171
ClearCat171· 22d ago

>**aging parents needing help**, they are “broke” for all intents and purposes even while living modestly. Make it make sense Unless the aging parents that you mentioned were former teachers, then I’m not certain (based on the details that you gave) that they’re not making...

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Dragon_6890
Dragon_6890· 22d ago

I work in the strong union state of Michigan. I work as a full time school librarian and a part-time public librarian to pay for 90% of my bills. My wife works full-time in customer service. I still don't have enough money as my cost of living increases. Insurance, utilities,f...

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NemLifter1089
NemLifter1089· 21d ago

It isn't just that. We don't get free health care. They offer it for a price and it's not cheap. We don't have job security either. Contracts are for a year and they can decide not to hire you the next year for any reason. Until you get tenure...which where I am means you need...

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Ok_lie3975
Ok_lie3975· 22d ago

There are teachers having to grade papers in their car because they're homeless. It's that bad now. This is sad and a horrible situation.

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milklovingftm70
milklovingftm70· 21d ago

Do city workers get Social security and a pension?, Why teachers don't? Teachers pay has to be increased by 100% for the work they do

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Did_youjustsee_thot
Did_youjustsee_thot· 21d ago

Once again we are viewed as worthy or teaching the future generations but no one wants to pay us a living wage.

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KnightSarcastic23
KnightSarcastic23· 22d ago

A second job during July / August - camp counselor, summer school, tutor, etc. is not surprising. Still not being able to make rent, fill the refrigerator, pay utilities… that’s the part that’s “criminal”.

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Patarokun28
Patarokun28· 21d ago

I’m a teacher who married a teacher. Two teachers do alright. The only extra work I do is grade recovery, any extra training and my library days during the summer. (Used to do summer school)

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Paulybytes___89
Paulybytes___89· 21d ago

The problem is the only ones reading this are teachers

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schmoonA
schmoonA· 21d ago

I honestly consider teaching my contribution to society. Obviously I wouldn't do it if I didn't get paid for it, but I really do believe that teaching is me doing my little part to leave the world a better place than I found it. I could easily make double the money if I work...

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DullMountain697
DullMountain697· 21d ago

You never been to Hawaii? Lol

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GiddyS_wine
GiddyS_wine· 21d ago

Most people don't understand how salaries for teachers work in my state of Missouri. We don't get annual COLA, we get steps. These are "here's money for having one more year of experience" increases.. These "increases" amount to only .5% - 1% per year. For several years in Mis...

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BraveStorm692
BraveStorm692· 21d ago

This isn’t a new problem for teachers at all. I know we like to feel like it is because we’re in it now but I remember back when I was a kid teachers complained about pay. I went into the profession knowing I wouldn’t make much money, the pay sucks, admin sucks, parents REALLY...

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LivongHeart5227
LivongHeart5227· 21d ago

A Tufts economic professor explained that local funding of schools lets the grandparents vote against funding their district because it won's affect their grandkids in another district. Also it is the holdover from the times single women could teach, do something mindless, ...

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rantxt_otheend
rantxt_otheend· 21d ago

Ohio pays well and they are clearing way over $130k combined. I feel like there is some missing info.

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5j8gak90tiqqo
5j8gak90tiqqo· 21d ago

When typing “pay gap among professional” and the teaching profession, I get the following and it’s so disheartening: Public school teachers in the U.S. face a record-high "pay penalty," earning roughly 26% less per week than similar college graduates in other professions as o...

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Dark_River880
Dark_River880· 22d ago

It sounds criminal, but its just the way the U.S rolls. Wait 'til you look at their politics.

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DeepWolf969
DeepWolf969· 22d ago

You only work 10 months out of the year, what did you expect?

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DogSoggy47
DogSoggy47· 22d ago

I think they should get overtime for all the work outside of class they do like grading tests and homework and such. If they did that, it would probably even out decently.

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exha_ustmosk69
exha_ustmosk69· 21d ago

Lmao most private sector jobs work less. I know just how rigorous work trips are /s from experience. Most people I know are done with work around 10am on Friday, and the folks I know who work from home probably average 3-4 hours of work per day. Let's not pretend public school...

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SureIdsue8264
SureIdsue8264· 21d ago

We need the money for the military and the President Trump's (I won't start a war) peace initiatives.

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Calm-Tiger334
Calm-Tiger334· 21d ago

Don't worry everyone, just remember we are achieving extremely high corporate profits in this country!

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Profes_sionalWar2369
Profes_sionalWar2369· 22d ago

This is why the CTU is about as friendly as a porcupine wrapped in barbed wire

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1stking5_09
1stking5_09· 21d ago

Sucks for them. I spend all my wife's money instead

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Ka_rmasLittleBitch26
Ka_rmasLittleBitch26· 21d ago

This is why nobody wants to become a teacher in the US. Everywhere else teachers are celebrated and are glazed like crazy, especially in most of Asia

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theindependentonline_24
theindependentonline_24· 22d ago

While we cant even tax the billionaires! also School boards continue to give themselves raises!

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DepententPeanut1309
DepententPeanut1309· 22d ago

Most of the school boards around here get a token amount, and I know many of them donate it back to the district.

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AshNak_on4
AshNak_on4· 21d ago

Don't yall got unions?

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justma-again
justma-again· 21d ago

Actually, no. Not all teachers have unions available in their district/state.

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BraveBanker_651
BraveBanker_651· 21d ago

I have kids, single parent teacher. I now drive uber and have to sleep in my car on the weekends. What’s it like to be in the 29%?

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