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Corporate Adviser Says the Ideal Number of Human Employees at a Business Is Zero

An outspoken cybersecurity engineer and AI booster has sparked massive outrage after claiming that the ideal, natural, clean, happy state for any firm is to have exactly zero human workers. Arguing that corporations are actively trying to reach this goal, he believes AI is simply finishing what the Industrial Revolution started.

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88 Comments

Bright_Dragon273
Bright_Dragon273· 18d ago

As long as the includes the CEOs and every level of management, I'm fine with that idea.

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RayzRh_eRoof
RayzRh_eRoof· 18d ago

For the number to be 0 it would have to. There will no longer be management there will just be owners and robots.

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Banker_6021
Banker_6021· 18d ago

You’re fine with the capital owning class just automating everything and creating a planet that’s essentially one giant ghetto except for them? The managers are often just in debted petite bourgeois and themselves a few paychecks from losing it all too. Capitalism will absol...

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BrightTiger90
BrightTiger90· 18d ago

It should also include ownership. Absolutely no human share holders. If that's the case, I'm fine with it. No one works, corps fight to provide us service, we are truly equal.

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marmite_wueen
marmite_wueen· 19d ago

Do CEOs really not understand that if there are no employees, then nobody has money. If nobody has money, then nobody can buy shit. If nobody buys shit, then the companies go out of business. If they really want their bullshit capitalist system to continue, then they need paid...

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Nimja_abdullah
Nimja_abdullah· 19d ago

They do know though. It’ll make the rest of us fight for scraps. I have yet to see anyone do anything so it seems it’s working. 🤷

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Normal_Cake_5711
Normal_Cake_5711· 19d ago

They can’t think big picture. They all just want to gamble on being the only one. If they are the company that doesn’t have employees, they save costs and sell their products to all the people who work at different companies. They never stop to think “what happens if all compa...

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Emer_gencyArachnid734
Emer_gencyArachnid734· 19d ago

It’s a flaw in capitalism. If your company is the only one not fully automated then you go out of business as you can’t compete. So everyone try’s to automate. But if everyone automates then there’s no jobs and companies go under. The only way to stop it would be for the gover...

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IcyBird866
IcyBird866· 18d ago

So prices will drop dramatically right…..Right?!?!

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BrightMountain171
BrightMountain171· 19d ago

And they will support UBI as part of their vast savings... Right..?

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zsill6
zsill6· 18d ago

Of course not!

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sikLychillly
sikLychillly· 18d ago

The preferred method of pay that capitalism preferes is none. It demands slaves be greateful for being captured and considered worthy of being enslaved n the first place. You cannot reason with deliberate parasitism, only attempt to remove it by any means necessary.

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RealiStic_View_3745
RealiStic_View_3745· 19d ago

Do it. See how long your company lasts.

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Eager-Bird555
Eager-Bird555· 18d ago

start removing the CEO's, the rest of the C Suite, then top level executives, then just stop and let us continue our work productively

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Ok_lie3975
Ok_lie3975· 18d ago

That can't be right, we've been told all along that the companies are job creators.

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flickeNc_hickens
flickeNc_hickens· 18d ago

Banks have already said that this would collapse the economy. Just trying to do this would destroy the entire system.

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CoolShark443
CoolShark443· 18d ago

Mathematically we could enter a system where the top 15% control the vast majority of consumption and companies adjust by producing mostly luxury products. It’s been moving that way for a while. But of course people will rip a system like that down.

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1dgbq4b49b_nd3oq6yk· 18d ago

Does that mean CEO of the company will open and close the shutters of the company, Mob the floor too. 😂

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tigersmHs07
tigersmHs07· 18d ago

He thinks it will be ai and robots. No humans nessissary.

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FrogLazy76
FrogLazy76· 18d ago

Labor is the most expensive input to the profit equation and shareholders demand ever increasing profits in a world of finite resources. The industrial revolution increased that rate of profit, yes, but the underlying economic system must be considered. Eliminating human work...

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squishycuco77
squishycuco77· 18d ago

Eliminating the **cost** of human labor is the goal, not eliminating human labor.

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Addi_tionalClub3444
Addi_tionalClub3444· 19d ago

Meet George Jetson.

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7hf3s4z4yv-anyj
7hf3s4z4yv-anyj· 18d ago

The machines can't repair the machines and the machines we are building are junk in the first place.

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BrightWolf8881
BrightWolf8881· 18d ago

If AI is finishing what the industrial revolution started, then we need a new Ned Ludd to finish what the Luddites started.

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ospriyotis98
ospriyotis98· 18d ago

All of these freaks ideal company has no employees, doesn’t do anything, and is worth 20 trillion dollars. They live in a complete fantasy.

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BrightMountain171
BrightMountain171· 18d ago

tell me that a Corprate advisor never has worked in a real production facility without telling me that he has never worked in a real production facility?

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o3jc8tm3jj-lf2w9z0r· 18d ago

As long as it includes CEO and board of directors, then its fine. Then corporation ceases to exist and the world is better off. So go ahead corporate world, Google, Microslop, Apple, Amazon, make the change.

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Benefixial_team_791
Benefixial_team_791· 19d ago

The ideal number of billionaires is also zero.

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InterestingCat307
InterestingCat307· 18d ago

Cool, and what about human customers?

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Findinh_Way_
Findinh_Way_· 18d ago

Go away! ‘baitin’.

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isEeyoo100
isEeyoo100· 18d ago

So if there's no humans working, and it's all being run by AI, then AI should provide services to humans for free. No operating loss, right?

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KeenFalcon3440
KeenFalcon3440· 19d ago

It sounds like joke I would say to my parents as we were having dinner after coming home from their jobs as elementary school teachers and they were telling war stories about the annoying things the kids were doing "It sounds like the perfect school is the one without any stud...

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Adventurous-ROot91
Adventurous-ROot91· 18d ago

And the ideal cost of everything is free! And it should rain hot chocolate and hail marshmallows!

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-Cleab-Sky-
-Cleab-Sky-· 18d ago

Yes thats literally the end game for capitalism

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Old_Fish354
Old_Fish354· 18d ago

So how does the trickling down work?

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DarkPanda_282
DarkPanda_282· 18d ago

I must have missed this part while getting my MBA…

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GooseFancy84
GooseFancy84· 18d ago

That does include the exec's. They're also employees!

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wiredmagazine4
wiredmagazine4· 18d ago

Corporations are people too.

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ObviouslyReaLPersob
ObviouslyReaLPersob· 18d ago

I wonder what the ideal number of customers with no money is?

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J-adore_La_LaVende51
J-adore_La_LaVende51· 19d ago

So after everyone is fired on masse who do they think will be the customers?

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Leading_FlatwoRm1897
Leading_FlatwoRm1897· 18d ago

Same number as ideal bosses too

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Emotionallyimnothere38
Emotionallyimnothere38· 18d ago

This is the same as saying “the most secure software is no software”. Sure, technically right, but not realistic.

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the_gaymer-girl24
the_gaymer-girl24· 18d ago

Which is fine if there is a concrete plan for how to handle the people who no longer have jobs. We can't all just "go into a trade."

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honEstlydeodass
honEstlydeodass· 18d ago

Human capital is always the highest cost. So from a numbers only perspective, with no critical thinking of who the customers would be, that’s an accurate statement I guess.

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Disastrous_Care1438
Disastrous_Care1438· 18d ago

I mean, it is. Zero cost, infinite profit is the ideal.

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BadgerSmooth46
BadgerSmooth46· 18d ago

"Cool so when are you quitting"

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Camel_StrOker
Camel_StrOker· 18d ago

So, does this genius... this TITAN of industry, this Einstein of the modern day, this self made Tesla... know what his customer base will be?

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CoolShark443
CoolShark443· 18d ago

Alright boys pack it up we're done.

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kill_metwice1234
kill_metwice1234· 18d ago

So...what the fuck are we meant to do and how does the economy operate then?

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FoxCalm65
FoxCalm65· 18d ago

How do these CEOs expect anyone to even buy their shit then? You can’t sell products to slaves who are always working. There’s a finite amount of wealthy people in the world and don’t want anyone cutting in on their action as it is.

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hz7tgnl4zwmk06eq
hz7tgnl4zwmk06eq· 18d ago

So the ideal number of customers must also be 0 then.

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Cool-River313
Cool-River313· 19d ago

Cool. So when the AI inevitably does something silly like delete a bunch of data, send a garbage text email out to every client, fail to monitor a key piece of safety equipment or just decide to stop working, all these geniuses will have a solution for us then and will actuall...

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Brave_Penguin
Brave_Penguin· 18d ago

Safety margins are unneccessary expences to capitalism.

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Stockadhesiveness191
Stockadhesiveness191· 18d ago

Corporate adviser advises no employees needed to make/sell their garbage products. Corporate adviser advises employed people needed to buy/subscribe their garbage products.

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ChucoTe_aCher
ChucoTe_aCher· 18d ago

At that point it's just shareholders begging for money.

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Bright-River423
Bright-River423· 18d ago

Who do these CEOs expect to buy their crap

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Viscuitgod_1
Viscuitgod_1· 18d ago

Including the corporate advisor.

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PhoenixClever18
PhoenixClever18· 18d ago

That’s so funny! As a human employee I’ve often said that the ideal number of corporate advisors is zero.

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CleverEagle2561
CleverEagle2561· 18d ago

This guy should stop talking and just do it. I can't wait to see the results.

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BadgerSmooth46
BadgerSmooth46· 18d ago

I mean thats the ideal number employees around the world. Isnt this exactly what AI was meant to do? Take our jobs so we can chill.

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BraveFox_727
BraveFox_727· 18d ago

I'm convinced that part of the deal to buy these AI models comes with a discount if you bragg about this BS Ultimately they want it to reduce labor costs but even if it's not successful it will have done it's job if it convinces all of us that we have to accept lower wages si...

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HappyShadow140
HappyShadow140· 18d ago

Good. Gift us UBI and we’ll be on our way.

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Chuck4_Md
Chuck4_Md· 18d ago

This should start with this advisor.

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Quick_Badger65
Quick_Badger65· 18d ago

The funny part is that AI should ultimately replace the most expensive, least productive parts of a company. The C Suite. You have AI with intakes data and outputs decisions based on the best data without bias for self interest or enrichment. Then you have the lowest cost la...

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Paneraiguy3
Paneraiguy3· 18d ago

As a fellow Cybersecurity Engineer, this tells me this dude is a blow hard. Yes, the biggest threat to security is between the chair and the screen, but that's both job security and the least likely thing to malfunction.

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PinkOwl852
PinkOwl852· 18d ago

If we’re getting paid a UBI, that’s fine by me

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ArcherSharp19
ArcherSharp19· 18d ago

...does that include replacing "corporate advisors"?

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goldEneye-2
goldEneye-2· 18d ago

Ugh. I’m so tired of this AI craze. Either do it already and eliminate the jobs or shut the fuck up already.

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5e05637gc-xnswapo
5e05637gc-xnswapo· 18d ago

Dos he have a job? I think his should be the first to go.

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Quiet_Dragon
Quiet_Dragon· 18d ago

And when they have no use for us, then what?

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Brave_Potato
Brave_Potato· 18d ago

Weird way of articulating that the current state of Corporate Capitalism doesn’t work.

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BoldPenguin465
BoldPenguin465· 18d ago

All the employees are gone, its perfect. It's a perfect business having no employees. The future of a planet without people making their homes there. From the board room straight into the garbage can labeled 'time '. On the way out for the top: golden pair of shoop, golden shoop.

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Yewa_tod77
Yewa_tod77· 18d ago

The ideal number of consumers of that company’s product or services is zero. Along with revenues and profits.

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ZayaFyre0
ZayaFyre0· 18d ago

Ideally that would be the start of a thought experiment followed by... "but that's not realistic, so here's how we increase efficiency of who we do have"... but i guess now it's realistic...

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