Found this in the optimistsunite sub..
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In a time when everything costs more than ever.
Well that's not very optimistic! /s
Comparing it to the bad old days of sharecropping, child sweatshops, and zero labor protection laws. How fucking dumb can you be?! Then again, that IS when America was great that they want again in their minds.
It's so funny to be that this sub exists tbh. They are all straight up delusional arguing against scientific facts.
Side note: In Germany, we consider part-time belonging in such statistics as well. So basically, if you have two partners, one working full time and the other part time at 20 hr/week, the average is 30. Nevermind that the whole HOUSEHOLD is now working 60 instead of 40 all in ...
In 2024, German employees worked 1.2 billion (!) hours of overtime (Source IG Metall union; major workers union for machine/tech-manufacturers). Half of those hours were unpaid.
Without even looking at the data, I assume increasing amount of unpaid (unaccounted for) working hours, and then counting all the jobs as separate workers. 1 person working three 20hr a week jobs means 3 workers working only 20 hrs a week for averages not a worker working 60 h...
what a gross misrepresentation of reality
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Technology has made life easier but we still have our entire society structured on keeping busy. Capitalism fails when there's simply nothing left that needs to be done but the bare minimum.
That's not what the graph shows at all. Less hours overall =/= more pay. The person is conflating two different things. While average hours worked might be decreasing...and while pay may have increased for those hours...they the pay-per-hour isn't anywhere matching what it wa...
As a reference point, I've divided those hours by 52 for the number of hours per week and by 40 to estimate how many full-time weeks of work. | Hours | Each week | 40-hour weeks | |-|-:|-:| | 1500 | 28.85 | 37.50 | | 2000 | 38.46 | 50.00 | | 2500 | 48.08 | 62.50 | | 3000 | 57...
In 1930, John Maynard Keynes predicted that, thanks to productivity gains, by 2030 the average person could meet their basic material needs by working 15 hours per week. The prediction doesn’t entirely hold up because we define ‘basic needs’ to include much more now than we ...
In other countries it's around 25€ per hour. But still rich assholes hoarding wealth is a problem.🤪
A 9-5 was a 9-5 then. Congratulations, I just injected 5+ hours a week into the "working" hours of the 50's.
Hmmmm, I wonder if there was something that happened around the 1930's regarding workers. Hmmmm, very curious, hmmmm.
Are you talking about the 15hour work week Keyne's wrote about?
It is very much untrue when I was a get my parents worked on average 48 hours a week when we had kids we worked 60 hours a week. The parents of my grandchildren work 64 hours a week. It is no longer possible to run a family household on a single income
Ignoring the part where the US has flatlined on working hours since 1980 while Europe has continued to decrease them? At the same or better standard of living. With better mental health. More time off. And the same or better sense of productivity, belonging, or whatever else...
Dont forget insurance! My grandparents were shocked that my insurance, of which the company covers 70% of the premium (their company covered 100%) also has copay (theirs didn't) a 10k deductible (theirs didn't) and I still pay for prescription (and they didn't) on top of all...
How is "worker" defined for this data set? Does somebody who's recently unemployed but looking for a job count as a worker because they're a part of the workforce? The term "worker" would indicate this is at least somewhat tied to payroll data. Since gig workers are "self emp...
Weird there’s no agricultural data included with how cherry picked this graph is.
This moron ever heard of inflation? Clearly not.
The germans do not work nearly that much!
Useless as its not per person or per household.
THis is out of context you have to see wage growth verse costs. One graph doesnt make a thing a thing.
So if those trends continue, we should reach zero hours in about 2200 AD. By which time, today's economic model will be totally obsolete. Hopefully that means a kind of Star Trek-style future, in which people are free to do whatever they want – gaming, travel, or personal/crea...