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Snapping Torx Sockets.

I’ve snapped 4 Torx bits trying to get this rotor off. Using a breaker bar, battery impact wrench doesn’t have enough juice to relocate them. Trying to hold onto the bar as aligned as possible. Any tricks of the trade to avoid snapping 4 more?

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BearSleepy41
BearSleepy41· 25d ago

Also HEAT those first. There is typically thread locker on them and you should replace these bolts each time anyway. Heat the hell out of them and impact driver off

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RelaTive_Specific143
RelaTive_Specific143· 26d ago

400-450°F

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sPazticpat
sPazticpat· 26d ago

^^^^^^ this is the correct answer

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ToughNet2800
ToughNet2800· 25d ago

High Explosive Anti Tank? I think that would be a bit overkill, but whatever gets them unstuck, I guess

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9oyhwn0rq-5yhwu9
9oyhwn0rq-5yhwu9· 25d ago

You need a manual impact, one that you hit with a hammer.

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idapItbwidiuatabip31
idapItbwidiuatabip31· 25d ago

This

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5e05637gc-xnswapo
5e05637gc-xnswapo· 25d ago

I was looking for this, glad you were here to answer for me 👍. I’ve gotten more use out of my impact driver than I ever thought I would, when I bought it, years ago.

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Paulybytes___89
Paulybytes___89· 25d ago

There is a tool with better control than the hammer and manual impact. It is called an old man screw knocker, or sometimes called shake and break. Use it with a cheap made-in-Chyna air hammer at lowest air pressure setting. You will have better control to turn the fastener ...

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rolandc7_10
rolandc7_10· 25d ago

You need a quality impact rated Torx bit. Not those. Those Pittsburg use cheap weak steel and the others are a softer steel. Not impact grade quality tool steel. Major difference in strength. Then use it on an impact screwdriver.

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Imsanesnow45
Imsanesnow45· 26d ago

Heat them to soften the loctite. You can hold a soldering iron against the head of the bolt for a couple of minutes, a heat gun, or a blow torch on really low. You don't want to get too much heat in the bearings or damage the finish on the wheel. Plan on replacing the bolts ...

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rajApaws17
rajApaws17· 26d ago

Soldering iron lol.  You need plenty of heat on these to soften the thread locker. Propane torch on max. Use a piece of sheet metal as a heat shield for the bearings.

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keviNmrr
keviNmrr· 25d ago

The bolts have Red thread locker on them (Locktite) they require 500°F to 550°F to remove.

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I_MicrowaveSteak72
I_MicrowaveSteak72· 25d ago

I’m seeing like a white, maybe yellow loctite on thre ones that came off. I’m guessing that’s going to be HD’s off brand red loctite equivalent.

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CRk76
CRk76· 26d ago

https://www.harborfreight.com/6-bit-impact-screwdriver-set-with-case-64812.html

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Visible-InterNet-827
Visible-InterNet-827· 25d ago

We have this exact set at work with every single bit it came with all warped up lol. The handle is *ok*.

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UsefulTangerinE4340
UsefulTangerinE4340· 25d ago

Tried this one on rotor screws didnt work at all ended up drilling it out

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Maker_4674
Maker_4674· 25d ago

I'd spend $15 more at Harbor Freight and get the Lisle manual impact driver. Mine is decades old and still usable.

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Cool_Otter
Cool_Otter· 26d ago

Do these have like red loctite on them? Heat it up first.

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f9w78wu5y-6fb9
f9w78wu5y-6fb9· 25d ago

It doesn’t help that ur using chinesium sockets but the major factor here is not heating them up first. Heat is always your friend

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whiTefox72
whiTefox72· 25d ago

Not if it's coming out from betwixt your buttocks.

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0r3acdpvw3_t7z8· 26d ago

Get some PB Blaster and use a manual impact driver, I bet they'll come right out. https://preview.redd.it/7owgrkxirxog1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b7cfd900f866a9497857a80159d177222c1a85 The hammers in electric impacts aren't all that heavy.

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PassengerNo73_30
PassengerNo73_30· 26d ago

Manual impact driver is the way, also make sure the bolt heads are clean of debris, it can make a huge difference I believe they are also TTY (torque to yield) bolts intended for a single use, and should technically be replaced, but I reuse them all the time.

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toddp_32
toddp_32· 25d ago

Were they lock tighted on? If/then, try an electric heat gun, to melt the lock tite.

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BrightTiger90
BrightTiger90· 25d ago

Grip edge + impact screwdriver. You'll never look back. Expensive, but 100% worth it.

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PlAnetwalls-2
PlAnetwalls-2· 25d ago

those bits look really worn out

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aifio95
aifio95· 26d ago

You need some heat, those are loctited usually, plumbers blow lamp is fine doesn't take much to soften the loctite

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CleverBear_102
CleverBear_102· 25d ago

You need to burn out the threadlocker on motorcycle brakes. they are installed with red threadlocker to resist the extreme vibrations of road noise, which makes them damn near impossible to get out without heat

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MaZieDae
MaZieDae· 25d ago

You need a hammered impact driver. You hit it with a hammer and it applies all the force at once and breaks those free without much of an issue

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mtfoxesite-2377
mtfoxesite-2377· 25d ago

Try sticking a bit in there, then hitting it with a hammer before you remove it. When I dismantled cars, this is how I’d get off brake rotors and door lock actuators. Couple hard whacks with a mini sledge and they come out with minimal effort They also make an impact screwdr...

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Lonel_y100
Lonel_y100· 25d ago

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Copio_usCool61
Copio_usCool61· 25d ago

Looks like you need an adamantium steel torx.

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LuckyToad_194
LuckyToad_194· 25d ago

Torx suck big time euro car's use them biggest pos fastener I have ever had to put up with. Oh give me an allen key anytime at least then I have a fighting chance.

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0r3acdpvw3_t7z8
0r3acdpvw3_t7z8· 25d ago

Good effort! I've snapped off loads of pozi bits but never a T45. You really, really don't want to damage the bolt heat though. As others have said, heat.

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rajApaws17
rajApaws17· 25d ago

Have you tried shocking the threads/breaking up any rust in there by putting the socket bit into the bolts and with no or a SMALL amount of rotational force (like as soon as it resists don't push it) to hit the bit socket with a hammer? There's even some air hammer attachments...

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aFscme_
aFscme_· 25d ago

Insert torx bits, hit it with a hammer 1-2 times and the screw usually loosens more easily

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Crispy_Dog
Crispy_Dog· 26d ago

Lots of people are saying heat, but I don't see anyone saying why. Loctite breaks down at around 500 degrees and will then release the bolt. It might be the only way to get these out as the loctite might hold better than the strength of any bit you throw at it.

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BoldDragon611
BoldDragon611· 25d ago

heat them up and hit them with a hammer first

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GiddyS_wine
GiddyS_wine· 25d ago

If you’ve got an air hammer there’s a bit that you can buy that accepts a 3/8 drive on the end. Then you slip a wrench on it to turn stuff out while air hammering it. It works a treat on the rotor assembly t25s on GM (and others) brakes that love to strip

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PhoenixNifty67
PhoenixNifty67· 25d ago

shake and break

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mesme13
mesme13· 26d ago

HEAT !! Then thread chasers to get all that out of the holes. My Harley wheels were loaded with that stuff. (Loctite)

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BearerOfCalamities6
BearerOfCalamities6· 25d ago

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sikLychillly
sikLychillly· 25d ago

“So I said to him, ‘it sounds like you’re just feeding sockets to a seized bolt.’ and then his tool guy started crying.”

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DatBoI_86
DatBoI_86· 25d ago

Wth hell am i looking at in this picture? is this tire for a motorcylcle?

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Bawx_of_chawclets41
Bawx_of_chawclets41· 25d ago

Yes

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Virhhia
Virhhia· 25d ago

Snap on heavy duty Torx bits, insanely expensive but I haven’t broken a Torx but since I bought them, used to break them all the time

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Mad-Tiger105
Mad-Tiger105· 25d ago

Yup all my Impact tools are Snap-on or MATCO Because worst case you break em just return for replacement.

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OddNight_8399
OddNight_8399· 25d ago

The 9$ one at harbor freight works just fine

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dolonite592
dolonite592· 26d ago

Is the Pittsburgh the 8 dollar one?

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Savagee_x3
Savagee_x3· 25d ago

Grip Edge or Snap On sockets. They are pricey but just hold up better.

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CalmWolf299
CalmWolf299· 25d ago

Heat and manual impact wrench. Those have been heat soaked and the metal has stuck together due to thermal expansion during use.

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dreampoopers84
dreampoopers84· 26d ago

I took a angle grinder to mine and just purchased new rotors

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di866kqp_jqoj9e7r
di866kqp_jqoj9e7r· 25d ago

Are you sure they aren't torx plus bolts. Don't have a ton of experience with T-plus but I've heard of this issue from others. Torxs plus will have a higher breaking point.

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Ashnakon
Ashnakon· 25d ago

I had the same problem. Previous owner had drowned it in loctite. With heat I got out all but two. I ended up taking it to a machine shop where they drilled them out.

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sillyChillly
sillyChillly· 25d ago

Heat is your friend

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Clever-Eagle678
Clever-Eagle678· 25d ago

You got two off did they have thread lock on them? Blue is medium strength and red is permanent. A breaker bar will take blue but you'll need to soften red with heat. No thread lock then smack it a few times with a hammer, better still use an impact driver.

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BestEquivakent5945
BestEquivakent5945· 25d ago

I’m just saying that bolts impact on with an air hammer and socket method look up air hammer socket tool and gently twist out unfortunately it’s my bosses and I can’t let you borrow it

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Sttange_chip_3434
Sttange_chip_3434· 26d ago

Are they left hand thread?

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Bold-Lion894
Bold-Lion894· 25d ago

No

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carlosFelipe123
carlosFelipe123· 25d ago

Can't be tight if it's liquid

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exha_ustmosk69
exha_ustmosk69· 25d ago

Gripedge sockets

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Camille_Yun10
Camille_Yun10· 25d ago

Flame wrench and a Lisle 30750 impact driver

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nortH_canadianice
nortH_canadianice· 25d ago

Heat them up, put you socket in and give it a few solid taps with a hammer to shock the threads. They should come out fairly easy after that.

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CleverPanda8415
CleverPanda8415· 25d ago

Id also invest in some decent tools everything your hold is junk.

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PepeH_ackeR
PepeH_ackeR· 25d ago

Had to use torx to remove pick up truck bed bolts for years......the only one that lasted was snap on.....pricey, but would last years, compared to every other make that would only last days

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BrilliantsPirit34
BrilliantsPirit34· 26d ago

Made in China Craftsman and the lowest end harbor freight brand. No wonder they're snapping...

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Glad_Hawk646
Glad_Hawk646· 25d ago

Better bits and a manual impact driver.

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zzoll_6
zzoll_6· 25d ago

Heat heat heat, just enough to smoke and they’ll come right out

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lelorang39
lelorang39· 26d ago

It's mildly impressive that you broke the impact bit even if it is a Pittsburgh. Do you have the bolts hot enough to deal with the locktite? Try making them hotter. I'd suggest better quality bits, even icon would be decent if you want fairly cheap and plan to keep snapping ...

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TomatoClo_wn24
TomatoClo_wn24· 26d ago

Put tension on the socket and hit the ratchet with a brass hammer.

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Sufficient_Lead4371
Sufficient_Lead4371· 25d ago

You can’t have those bolts coming loose or you don’t have brakes. Those will be installed from factory with high strength thread locker. You will have to heat the bolts to destroy the thread locker wait for them to cool before removing.Install new bolts with red loctite.

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FedUpHRog
FedUpHRog· 25d ago

Heat them up, guaranteed home boy before you used red loctite

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Coolconclusion9151
Coolconclusion9151· 25d ago

I’m seeing like a white, maybe yellow loctite on thre ones that came off. I’m guessing that’s going to be HD’s off brand red loctite equivalent.

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Fitchefli_fe
Fitchefli_fe· 25d ago

Interesting, I know there is Green, Orange, Blue, Brown and Red. In any event, heating it up will help.

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Witty_HeArt1279
Witty_HeArt1279· 26d ago

Use the manual impact driver.

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FalconNeat47
FalconNeat47· 25d ago

Heat and a good whack with a hammer.

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Glad_Hawk646
Glad_Hawk646· 25d ago

Heat heat, and then slightly more heat. Then tap the torx in place with a hammer gently ish. Then a manual impact

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JuesJourney
JuesJourney· 25d ago

I love harbor freight these days. So tired of overpriced snap on. Sometimes to replace a tool the guy will show up maybe once a month. And if he has it I get lucky otherwise it'll take another month or so for a replacement. I can always walk right in to harbor freight anytime ...

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ClearCat171
ClearCat171· 25d ago

Heat. And buy good sockets. Snap on sell the best torx and Allen sockets ime. Yes they are expensive. But fucking with damaged fasteners and broken tools is also expensive.

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the-Stick23
the-Stick23· 25d ago

I f\*\*king hate Torx bits.

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Ok_YoGurtcloset1170
Ok_YoGurtcloset1170· 25d ago

I don't mind torx as long as it isn't corroded. But it really puzzles me why someone went to all that trouble invent something worse than a hex/Allen head. At least triple square feels as good/better than a hex.

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6xo5xqg18q
6xo5xqg18q· 25d ago

Is that tire from a chinese motorcycle? Because if it is, I don't think they were designed with the intention of being removable/replaceable. I had the same issue trying to disassemble the rotor from the tire. That rotor is pretty much built in.

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